Rhrosty

'If it was all about gas, there is a peace process and international law.'

Well to that, Bomber, old man, I feel like keying HA-HA-HA ad infinitum until the word count runs out and then resume again with another post or two. However, I don't want to wear out my H and A keys.

International law and Israel bear absolutely no relationship whatsoever to each other. I doubt very much if there has ever been a country in the entire history of the world that ever shown more contempt for international law than Israel - and only because it is allowed to keep on getting away with it.

And as for what you refer to as a 'peace process', there is no peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. It never existed and it never will. There is, of course, a few jaunts that a bunch of pro-Israel politicians from a bunch of pro-Israel countries make every few years to some location or other in which they do a lot of talking and boozing and posing and handshaking in order to pass a bunch of resolutions and accords and agreements that favour Israel and officially declare any group of two or more Palestinians in a room together a terrorist organisation.

No, Bomber, no Palestinian will ever even see a cent of that trillion dollars worth of gas, especially now that Israel is likely to militarily occupy Gaza again - with total impunity under international law of course.

And for goodness sake, ease up on all that rubbish about Hamas hiding under women's skirts and kiddies' beds. As an ex-soldier, you of all people must know that macho men are not into that sort of thing. It's a typical macho projection by macho men onto other macho men to give themselves a justification for killing each other.

Dear SteeleRedux,

<<Now I need to get this right, are you asking us to shed a tear for a specialist soldier of an invading army, highly trained in killing Palestinians, part of a brutal war machine that is decimating a mainly civilian population, whose prime minister sneeringly describes the corpses of children as “telegenic” and all the while 85% of Israelis support the slaughter?>>

I am asking you to shed a tear for all the Palestinian children who will not be saved next time due to this incidence.

Matan Gotlib (21) may have been trained in different ways and participated in many other missions, but he had no orders from Netanyahu to assist Palestinian children - his last mission was his private initiative because he was an active boy scout, to help Palestinian children in distress.

As a result, future Israeli military orders would likely be tightened to prevent soldiers from helping or believing Palestinian children. Palestinian children would again be the victims of being used as a trap by Hamas. Shed a tear for them!

Dear Yuyutsu,

You wrote;

“As a result, future Israeli military orders would likely be tightened to prevent soldiers from helping or believing Palestinian children. Palestinian children would again be the victims of being used as a trap by Hamas. Shed a tear for them!”

And I am still trying to accept the fact that you felt this was a reasonable thing to say.

My god, it is the Israeli military's wholesale slaughter of children that has most of the world shedding tears. The bombing of UN school after school, of houses containing mostly children to get at a single Hamas official, of tank shells blasting hospitals where children lie in agony suffering life altering wounds and disfigurements. So you would have us believe the IDF will be even less wary of killing more Palestinian children because of the death of this soldier?

I'm sorry Yuyutsu but you are being offensive.

And where is the source saying this soldier was helping Palestinian children. I have read nothing of it. This is the closest article I have found.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/2-IDF-soldiers-killed-in-booby-trapped-tunnel-in-Gaza-369455

The language is of course so over the top. Every Hamas fighter is referred to as a terrorist;

“Battles between Hamas and the IDF continued, and the army killed dozens of terrorists who attempted to hamper its work to discover and destroy tunnels. The army destroyed five tunnel shafts on Wednesday. During the day, a Givati infantry unit destroyed a tunnel shaft, and another unit uncovered several additional shafts across the Strip. Paratroopers detected two terrorists emerging from a shaft they found, and opened fire at them, killing the gunmen. Givati soldiers, working with the combat engineers, detected 10 terrorists who attacked them with an antitank missile, causing light wounds among two soldiers.”

These are fighters resisting an invasion of their land by an army which is slaughtering a great number of civilians. Booby trapping a tunnel has far more military and moral legitimacy than bombing a UN refuge at a school, or a hospital, or a playground, or three boys playing on a beach.

When Israel bombed and destroyed Saddam Hussein's Osirak nuclear facility producing weapons grade plutonium, Killarney, it definitely broke international law.

It also did more for nuclear disarmament in 5 minitues than all the UN peace resolutions in the last 60 years.

Yuyutsu,

Steele is just a spruiker. He has no real concern for causalities or human rights he just uses such things to push his favourite causes.

Dear SteeleRedux,

<<And where is the source saying this soldier was helping Palestinian children. I have read nothing of it.>>

It's in Hebrew, so I'm afraid you will need to translate it:

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/602/921.html

Below is the output of the google translator (first two paragraphs), which you can verify for yourself. Unrelated web-pages tell of his extensive involvement in the boy-scouts:

The incident in Khan Younis: "The soldiers helped the children - and they blew up the building"
Sergeant's brother who was killed when a device providing Gottlieb placed under UNRWA's clinic revealed details of the investigation of the incident: "Palestinian children asked for help - and the place was entered giving mined. Did not say that we are not humane"

Soldiers helped the children of Palestinians - and were killed, "Palestinian children asked him for help - and where he entered was mined. Always wanted to help, everyone - even those on the other side. Did not tell us then we are not humane - that just then blew up the house and took him" said this morning (Thursday) Omar's brother, Sergeant Gottlieb providing, of Rishon Lezion was killed in Khan Younis in the incident yesterday.