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Rethinking 18c : Comments

By Andrew Glover, published 23/7/2014

The Racial Discrimination Act has more power to protect the powerful than the powerless, and that is a problem.

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Now, that really is a straw man argument if ever I have heard one. When I was young, we had a saying "sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me". In the main, this is the philosophy used by most people who belong to the white anglo saxon majority, who are not generally easily offended. It seems to me that many people who belong to minority groups, go out of their way to take offence, when none is meant, and therein lies the difficulty with 18c.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:07:06 AM
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You do realise that it's virtually impossible for a "white" person to take action on any form of discrimination or vilification against them, don't you?
The laws are entirely framed to support minorities against the majority, imposing their sensibilities on the rest of the population.
Most courts won't even register such a claim, let alone hear it.
There is far too much discrimination in Australia, vast tracts of land handed over to a tiny minority of the population, and governments state and federal spending billions on the same small group, all to the detriment of the majority.
Multiculturalism is a fanciful idea that is used to justify similar discrimination against the majority, giving minorities rights and funding not available to the rest of us.
All of this, on the face of it, would appear to be a deliberate form of "divide and rule", the powers that be were shocked at the rise of "People Power", citizens taking back power from the elites at the top, so they've done their level best to cause division and fragmentation amongst their populations to undercut this budding of true democracy.
There be method tixt their madness it doth seem.
Posted by G'dayBruce, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 11:25:37 AM
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This article well illustrates the sickness called progressive "thinking"which afflicts Oz.

We have <<rednecks on public transport hurling abuse>>
But of course to call someone a redneck is not abuse!

We have <<a racist slur at Adam Goodes>>
But antiwhite putdowns on SBS comedy is quite ok!

We have those <<Wicked Campers displaying cruel slogans about women>>
But slogans like "all men are rapists" are fair

And then, there is this admission:

<<But, in the hands of some, a shield is also a weapon. By not allowing legitimate, and – yes, arguably ‘racist’ – critiques of entrenched white privilege to be voiced>>

Told you so--it aint about anti-racism -- it's about another field of class warfare --and progressive "thinking" is sick, sick, sick.
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 11:28:53 AM
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Do these clowns really earn a living writing this crap?

I guess it is a bit like anthropologists specialising in aboriginal research. If they ever once told the truth, they would never be allowed into another aboriginal settlement, or to talk to anyone claiming to be an aboriginal again.

First we get this garbage about "Andrew Bolt cynically targeting Aborigines", whereas Andrew Bolt was cynically targeted by the aboriginal welfare industry, worried their nice taxpayer funded lifestyle could be damaged by the truth of the rip off becoming general knowledge.

Then we get a bit of rubbish feeling sorry for that thug Adam Goodes, & his attack on a poor little school girl. Perhaps the clown didn't notice some utter fools terminally degraded the Australian of the year awards, by recompensing the thug with the award. Who on earth is on that committee, & who put them there. It is a disgrace, that makes a laughing stock of all of us.

If you want to find hate in Oz, look no further than the disgusting garbage from the pens of people like this author.

They continually denigrate the most discriminated target in the country, white adult males in work.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 1:39:56 PM
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Anglo Saxon society?
Leaving aside the fact that there's no such thing as an Anglo Saxon ethnic group what we have in this country is a Jewish and Protestant Christian elite amongst whom money counts for as much as ancestry.
The 'Captains of industry" all come from those two socio economic groups BECAUSE they all come from those two socio economic groups, it's got nothing to do with the broader society.
It's bizarre that people still think race equals power in this country, Tasmania is one of the Whitest states yet something like half of the adults are basically illiterate, the biggest source of income in the northern hamlets is centrelink and overall it's the poorest part of the country. Frankston, Woy Woy, Elizabeth, Logan...all these "low socio economic" areas are full of White people yet we have smirking hipsters such as this author carrying on about "Rednecks"?
Beginning a sentence with the words "I'm White.." in any context is considered a faux pas at best and a criminal offence by some, so let's not have this load of bollocks about "Anglo Saxon society".
White means native born, uneducated and poor, 18c should protect us from trash like this article which basically shifts blame for all the world's ill's from the elites to the poorest and most vulnerable of us but as other posters have pointed out, it doesn't and it never will.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 2:17:05 PM
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Do these clowns really earn a living writing this crap?
Hasbeen,
I'm not too worried about the clowns writing this crap but I'm deeply dismayed about the morons who pay them with our tax dollars.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 5:56:39 PM
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Its simply called "Reverse Racism" Saying if a non reflective calls me a White C#*^t in the Mall in Darwin because I didn't give them $2.00... its ok, and nothing happens - but if I call the same person a Black C#*^t, then I am discriminatory and inciting racial hatred. Same with a Zionist, same with a Muslim, Lavender Mafiaso etc etc. PC gone mad, multiculturalism for the sake of itself, & so accordingly the left handed basket weavers, purple scaled virgins and their ilk have had it, and still get it their way and we duffers let ourselves get pineyappled with Al Grasby, Good old Gough and the multi-cultural land rights for gay whales crews who cascaded down from there un-lubricated, unwashed, and in abundance.

18 c repeal is nothing more than a smoke screen from the Fascist Crown Government and as another poster said more of the status quo - divide & conquer. They are doing it very nicely under the radar, shortly we are likely to see rammed through in dead of night with marathon sittings of parliament, new terror laws, surveillance laws and removal of the right to silence and many common law protections gone forever.

The bench of the High Court is now of course stacked with LNP lackies, & I lament the retirements of Gummow & Kirby, who at least if only for their humanity, kept a lid on some of their more judicially activist friends in the later (current) bench.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 6:22:02 PM
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Individual,
North Western European (occidental)societies are based on morality and personal reputation, not blood ties or ancestry, there's no such thing as "Racism" as far as we're concerned.
The idea of "Racism" comes from the orient, from a Jewish revolutionary named Trotsky who coined the term to describe his Slavic nationalist enemies, it's not a trait found in the West.
It's complicated and I'm not going to waste much effort refuting such a stupid article as this but Occidental people now see "Racism" as immoral and something they associate with criminals and thugs.
White people who bother other commuters on public transport or act up in public get a bad reputation and can be brought into line with the type of shaming tactics we've seen employed of late.
Contrast the response of the most recent train rant woman from Gosford with the African girl who falsely accused a Melbourne restaurant of racial discrimination, the former took her lumps and apologised, the latter was posting nonsense on facebook until the restauranteurs threatened to sue her.
Whites can be easily shamed into correcting their behaviour by threats to their good reputation, non Whites can't, they operate on a different level.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 6:32:53 PM
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Albie,
Oh I'd love to get up in court and put the Holocaust on trial,even though I accept most of the facts about Operation Reinhard I'd even make a complaint against myself like the German revisionists do just to make trouble for the PC brigade.
The problem is that when they make some speech illegal the dissenters can then call the shots by tailoring their speech to trigger complaints and force the state into certain actions.
If something is illegal the state has to act upon it and the trial has to be public and fair, they can't just send it to mediation.
What happens then is that on controversial issues like the Holocaust the state either has to strip defendants of their civil rights and forbid them from defending themselves as they do in Germany or decline to prosecute so the whole system breaks down.
The reason the Anti Whites want 18c retained is because it gives them more options and more flexiblity in suppressing their enemies, if they had to get up in court and back the things they say and write on the internet they'd be in real trouble.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 6:48:31 PM
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I have lived the greater part of my life amongst racists who claim discrimination at the drop of a hat if a non-indigenous & not necessarily white has a slip of the tongue & says something uncomplimentary but true nevertheless.
I have no real problem with them as such but I have an extreme objection to australian bureaucrats who bum-lick these people at every given moment for their own opportunity to get access to the funding trough provided by ignorant Labor Governments & their cronies in the public service.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 7:58:09 PM
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Expressing your grievances in an acceptable way is a fundamental requirement for acceptance in civilised society. Those who haven't learnt how to do it yet should not be punished -- but they certainly shouldn't be rewarded.
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 24 July 2014 6:44:22 AM
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Just a note to help some connect the dots:

When you vote for the Greens and other left whinge parties you are endorsing the article writers "thinking".
Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 24 July 2014 7:56:46 AM
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18C and free speech can't be examined properly without examining the presence in Australia, ideology and jihad programme of Islam. Life in Europe before the late 1700s was as brutish and short, and as obsequious towards superstition-based authority as life in any Islamic country is today. The reason why it is now decent in Australia, UK, Europe, Canada and the non-Reb part of America (compared say with Saudi Arabia or Iran) is the watershed of liberation of humanity known as the Enlightenment.

We live by those values and defend them when they are threatened. They are threatened by Islam with its intolerance of any defiance of Moslem values, such as apostasy (leaving the cult), unbelief (atheism, Christianity, Judaism, wrong brand of Islam), impiety (bucking Islamic rules of personal behavior - like women getting uppity), blasphemy (mocking or even questioning their cult and their paedophile "prophet").

The purpose of multiculturalism and curbs on free speech (as distinct from in-your-face personal libels and insults and hate speech in public space) is to criminalise robust defence of Enlightenment values of personal liberty in the face of its enemies. Laws that do this are themselves assaults on what we have won from the Enlightenment, and merit determined opposition.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Thursday, 24 July 2014 4:06:54 PM
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"Given that white Anglo-Saxon culture has done it’s darndest to wipe out Aboriginal people and culture for a significant part of the time they’ve cohabited Australia."

That's a highly defamatory, insulting and - dare I say - racist comment.

If the early British settlers had really wanted to wipe out the Aborigines, there would be no indigenous people left in Australia today.

The real issue is that the Aboriginal Australia was simply unable to cope with the arrival of the modern world. It was an archaic culture that was always going to struggle as the world became smaller.

If the British had not settled Australia, another power - European or Asian - would have eventually seized this resource-rich continent.

The notion that the Aborigines could have remained hermetically sealed off from the rest of the world in some sort of vast anthropological museum is not realistic. Their primitive, nomadic hunter-and-gatherer lifestyle was doomed the moment foreign powers began exploring the Australian coastline.
Posted by drab, Thursday, 24 July 2014 4:16:25 PM
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As I posted before, section 18c has been employed by aggrieved minorities and the multicultural movement to gag their opponents as part of their implicit ethnic warfare campaign against the Anglo-Celtic Australian majority. It is clearly a threat to free speech in this country.

To quote academic Frank Salter:

"To its supporters section 18C has emotional significance because it is the mechanism by which future enemies can be given the Bolt treatment. The section is a valued weapon in the armoury used by the multicultural “discourse police”, to use Betts’s phrase. That is why Greens spokeswoman Penny Wright saw Government draft legislation to change 18C as “the Andrew Bolt protection bill”. Multiculturalism has always been hostile towards Australia's core Anglo identity. In practise the movement has been predicated on intolerance and intimidation directed at silencing critics, so it is understandable that minority activists are wedded to section 18C."

http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2014/03/section-18c-multiculturalism-power/
Posted by drab, Thursday, 24 July 2014 4:20:48 PM
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Andrew Glover is a white hating racist who defends 18C because he does not think it applies to him, or other white hating racists who think like him.

Glover made two racist remarks which are illegal under 18c. He accused white '"Anglo Saxons" of "doing their darndest" to "wipe out aboriginal people and their culture." This is an accusation of genocide against a particular ethnicity, calculated to incite hatred and loathing towards that ethnicity. As an Anglo Saxon, I am "offended, insulted, humiliated and intimidated" by Andrew Glover racist allegation which just happens to be a black lie.

Glover compounds his racism by calling white people "rednecks" which is a racist slur aimed directly at the skin colour on the necks of white people who work out in the sun. Such white people Glover thinks are ignorant, racist peasants.

Now, making negative assumptions about people based upon the colour of their skin, and calling them a race specific slur, is racism, through and through, Andrew. That would be actionable too.

But Glover is so immersed in his own "holier than thou" sanctity that he can't even see the racism in his own bankrupt ideology.

Now I don't care if you hate white people, Andrew. What I do care about is the total hypocrisy of people like you who can always man the barricades against white racism, while indulging in white hating racism yourself. If you support 18C, just remember it is a two edged sword and you may get hoisted on your own petard.

Not that any of the Anti discrimination Boards will come after you. Just like yourself, the ADB boards acquire acute myopia when it comes to negative and racist assumptions about white people. They can find racism in the language of every child's nursery rhyme, and they can clearly see misogyny in Tony Abbot looking at his watch when Julia Gillard makes a speech. But like yourself, they can not see anti white racism when it is staring them in the face, because the fanatical little lefty wing conservative bastards agree with it
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 24 July 2014 4:29:23 PM
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Sorry Day. Sorry (Day) was the day we rolled over and took it fair up the freckle from every one of the basket weavers, & left handed harp seals ad nauseum, without a whimper from our elected representatives.

Herr Fuhrer Abbott and his cronies saw to that well and truly with the gaoling of Hanson & Ettridge, and God help anyone else who gets in his way now he is PM. Julia gave a gold plated hand job to Obama when the US Forces got the nod here in Darwin. How many of the readers are aware that slavery per se is still not protected against in our Constitution ? The right to life all so ? And all I read is whiney whingey... the refugees, the Muslims, the ETS, the Carbon Tax...the Left handed lesbian lemurs of Limmen National Park....barf barf !

You want what? and you won''t even stop to stand up & fight for the most basic of human rights here in your own country !

I started in 2002 writing to MLAs, MPs and even to good people like Nelson Mandela, Geoffrey Robertson, & Aung San Kyu Chee - for advice, but all of it is being thrown in the gutter by our Fascist Crown governments. There is a bigger agenda afoot for this country, and it''s our politicians who don't act in the best interests for us who are letting it happen at the bidding of others.
Posted by Albie Manton in Darwin, Friday, 25 July 2014 12:14:36 PM
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EmperorJulian

The world is a very small place, like your brain:)...Just be careful your not being set up:)...Little sites like this, is the reason with the freedom of speech, which we permit you to your applied logic.

EJ....the world is watching all of us....try and show a little respect...

Tally
Posted by Tally, Friday, 25 July 2014 6:07:12 PM
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"Given that white Anglo-Saxon culture has done it’s darndest to wipe out Aboriginal people and culture for a significant part of the time they’ve cohabited Australia."
drab,
You're spot on with your assertion.
Posted by individual, Friday, 25 July 2014 6:55:14 PM
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had a good laugh today. abc presenter talking about how stuck in their ways the Brits are (in a negative way). When it comes to holding on to the culture (Indigeneous) it is presented by the abc as something worthwhile. The left are totally blind to their own hypocrisy.
Posted by runner, Friday, 25 July 2014 8:27:58 PM
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Forget s18 of RDA –

Law is clearly impotent in Australia unless a power interest group pushes for its implementation.

Just look to SBS and the numerous shows where vile racism and prejudice is aired constantly. For example the so-called “comedy” of Nazeem called “Fear of a Brown Planet” in which he makes non-stop racist rants and attacks on white people from how they dress to the kind of nose they have and he especially likes bashing the most vulnerable whites who have no power nor privellege [so-called ‘bogans’] by laughing at their levels of education, the accents, their poor look and missing teeth [Housoes and Bogan Hunters are other shows doing same].

If shows like this can air with support of the same pathetic elitist twits who likely are here against s18 RDA then what is the point?
Posted by Matthew S, Monday, 28 July 2014 1:38:56 PM
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If Tally actually spelled out a point I'd seek to show it enough respect to address it.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 29 July 2014 5:14:13 PM
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The "brits are stuck in their ways", runner?

That would be actionable under 18C, as it is a derogatory stereotype of the British people. That's racism. It could cause the British to be "offended, insulted, humiliated, and intimidated."
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 3 August 2014 7:33:42 PM
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There are so many things wrong in this article I wouldn't waste my time pointing them out. Freedom of expression is an essential part of a democratic society and I am amazed that so many people seem hell-bent on censoring debate. You don't miss your water 'til the well runs dry and the road to hell is so often paved with good intentions. Gratuitous niceness is killing our country.
Posted by citizen, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 7:02:38 PM
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