<< Luddy old mate, I fear you are going off the rails. >>

Hehehe. Yeah Hazza if I keep going on like this, I’ll be as bonkers as you in about … a million or so years! ( :>)

<< In what you suggest about energy is buried the fact that billions would have to die, for your vision of an indigenous culture future to work. >>

Surely you don’t think that I am advocating a return to an indigenous culture type of life style! If you are, please reread my last post.

Billions will die if we keep going the way we are – propping up population growth and high per-capita consumption with cheap fossil fuel energy, and then finding ourselves having to pay a whole lot more for this energy, if we can get it at all, and being locked in a bitter battle with other countries for this resource, and suffering escalating civil unrest at home.

Think about it. Think of just how vitally important it is that we wean ourselves off of our addiction to fossil fuels.

This doesn’t mean abandoning them, it means progressively reducing the proportion of our energy requirements that they provide.

with the number of bombs being dropped in the Middle East its time to focus on real issues rather than that of a few egos and the pockets of the gw religous brigade.

<< …our government seems very keen to wean Australians away from thinking that growth and consumption is the reason why we exist.

Tony Abbot and Joe Hockey have often spoken about the need to limit growth and consumption, and have Australians thinking about other things instead. >>

Reeeally?!¿?!

I could have sworn they were doing precisely the opposite, Incomuicardo.

Does Australia need a 'climate policy' at all?
Don Aitkin,
NO ! What we need here are competent & pragmatic thinkers to deal with all things environmental & the furure. Policies do nothing except feather academic & bureaucratic nests.

Bazz:
Thanks mate, however, my preference is the ceramic fuel cell, which as you know, runs just as happily on methane as hydrogen.
And given we build some CNG refuel stations, based on a national gas grid, the range for a Gas powered ceramic cell electric vehicle, is virtually only limited by the refilling stations.
The energy coefficient of a ceramic fuel cell is around 80%, which at least twice as good as any other hybrid.
And that is because the fuel cell is solid state technology.
And given the conversion from fuel to energy is a chemical reaction, rather than combustion, even with methane,(CNG) as the fuel, the exhaust product is mostly water vapor!
What we need is a government, willing to invest in pilots, or proof of concept prototypes.
This would need some skilled artisans, and some commercial space, which could be used time and again, for similar purposes.
The prototype, could even be say something like a merc hybrid, with just the diesel engine replaced with a ceramic fuel cell and capacitors, and the diesel tank replaced by a CNG tank.
A cubic metre of gas, has the same calorific value as a litre of petrol, however, the energy coefficient, is better than double a diesel electric!
Therefore, a 90 cubic metre CNG tank, should provide a range of up to 2000 kilometres, on a single tankful?
And that necessarily larger sized tank, could also consume the space normally set aside for the gearbox and tail shaft, in a conventional vehicle?
Cheers, Rhrosty.

Cobber the Hound has raised the question of science, so we should consider it. Substantial funds and resources were devoted to the science after the IPCC made the rash (and unfulfilled) promise to produce science which would show the “signature” of human contribution to climate change.
The net result is that the human contribution has been shown to be negligible, and not measurable, so that it does not have the significance necessary to be scientifically noticed.
The hound’s representation that there is science to back the AGW fraud is dishonest.
Agronomist is even more dishonest. When asked for science to support the fraud, and he is repeatedly asked, his final resort is to say that only a scientist can understand the science backing AGW.

Australia, being the first nation to get rid of the carbon tax, is a world leader. It would be appropriate now for us to follow up and hold a Royal Commission into the origin and backing of the AGW fraud, particularly the procurement of baseless statements from reputable institutions in support of the fraud, and whether this dishonest activity was criminal.