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A new era in the Senate : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm, published 30/6/2014

In my term in parliament, I want to convince Australians to reconsider whether handing their money over to the government is better than keeping it themselves.

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HAVE THEY GIVEN YOU YOUR 'YOU CANT CHAnGE ANYTHING SPEACH?
they forget any LEVER NEEDS ITS FULCRUM..your it./WHEN THEY GIVE YOU THE 7000 PAGES/not all need be read/imdeed dont bother trying to untangle it till its second reading/cause that 7000 pages is where the fat cats get their cream.

you will notice the scum floats just a bit higher than cream
and often/we dont know the real cost/till the money is lost[or rather the debt gained/were borrowning money to buy junk planes?

called hanger orniments cause their spend most their lives being maintaned/they kill their pilots/cancel that one contract=billionS

THERE WE Pyed off the debt
now for every new law/I WANT 4 MORE OLD FLAW LAWS TO GO
YOU WANT A NEW DEPT/WHICH 4 WILL GO..[WRITE ALL DEALS INTO THE MArgins/and yes asio can be your best friend

we talk to you[any one talks to you
hoping you can fix things for them..well here is a simple policy
its the living or the dead/one cannot serve two masters/and currently the living are fully bund into dead corperate debt.

break up the too big to faIL
HOW CME INVESTERS GET TAX DEDUCTABILITY/BUT HOME OWNERS CANT
ITS AN INVESTMENT/INVESTERS TAKE RISKS/..if you loose..THATS YOUR BIG TROUBLE/NOT GOVTS/AS BUISNESS FAIL GOVT TAKES THEM OVER..damm caps

i will ignore you lest i get the blame for chasing you away
the best replies follow the auther response/..so im over it/the guy running the motering guy/i want him to run the public service[NOT PUBLIC SIN TAX REVENUE RAISING]..OH AND REVEAL THE TRUTH[SMOKERS COST 800 MILLION[MEDICAL COT]..NOT 32 BILLION[THATS HOW MUCH TAX WE PAY*..
Posted by one under god, Monday, 30 June 2014 10:32:09 AM
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There's nothing to "consider".
Taxation is compulsory.

Libertarianism, like all utopian ideologies, sounds good in theory, but is unworkable in reality and would result in all sorts of nasty unintended consequences.

Yes, we need less legislation/regulations, no duplication.

But we do need schools and hospitals.

When you pronounce an intent to cut these, you make most voters run away in fright.
Focus your attack on the trivial "fluff".

We once had a much less regulated, privatised society.

And most people never saw the inside of a classroom, died at the ripe old age of 36, and their children ate bread, porridge and more bread if they ate at all.

Meanwhile others lived in mansions with servants, wore velvet gowns with diamonds and drank champagne.
It was an all-or-nothing world.

Socialism, in purist form, also produced horrors never imagined before.

But the system that's evolved over the last century is neither libertarian or socialist, it is half-way between.
It is not perfect, but no system ever will be.

Perhaps we've gone too far toward the socialist end of the spectrum, but pure libertarianism would take us back to the slums and street urchins of Dickens.
No thanks.
Posted by Shockadelic, Monday, 30 June 2014 11:21:35 AM
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DAVID..we here are here to help you/we work for free[openly]

anyhow here is a current topic/on the tax warming climate change thing
and its all crapp
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16430&page=13

to quote/leo

Here us what a top scientist says” Given that carbon dioxide is indeed a greenhouse gas (albeit a mild and diminishingly
effective one at currently increasing levels of atmospheric concentration), and that some
human-caused emissions accrue in the atmosphere, the question of dangerous warming was a good one to raise back in the late 1980s.

KEY BIT*..<< Since then, with the formation of the IPCC, and a parallel huge expansion of research and consultancy money into
climate studies, energy studies and climate policy, an intensive effort has been made to
identify and measure the human signature in the global temperature record at a cost that probably exceeds $100 billion. And, as Kevin Rudd might put it, “You know what?

**
No such signature has been able to be isolated and measured.”
That, of course, doesn’t mean that humans have no effect on global temperature, because we know that carbon dioxide is a mild greenhouse gas, and we can also measure the local temperature effects of human activity, which are both warming (from the urban heat island
effect) and cooling (due to other land-use change, including irrigation).

Sum these effects all over the world and obviously there must be a global signal; that we can’t identify and measure it indicates that the signal is so small that it is lost in the noise of natural climate variation.

Twenty-five years on, therefore, we have answered the question, “Are human carbon dioxide emissions causing dangerous global warming”, and the answer is “No”; but strangely that answer causes environmental activists and their supporters, including apparently many scientists, to develop the disease known as deaf ear."
http://www.familyfirst.org.au/files/Bob-Carter-A-Dozen-Global-Warming-Slogans.pdf
cont
Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 29 June 2014 11:38:49 PM
http://cecaust.com.au/main.asp?sub=global_warming&id=main.html

/or\here..your opening speech
2 HOUR 24 MINUte mark
http://rss.infowars.com/20140626_Thu_Alex.mp3

FOR CURRENT AFFAIR/ASK MIKE
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/podcast.php

ME
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6293&page=15
MY ADGENDAS
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=48
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6196&page=8
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html

MY ANGER
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html
http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763?WT.mc_id=TWT_NatureNews
http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35385/Repudiate-the-Public-Debt-How-About-Corporate-Personhood-and-Monopoly-Central-Banking/
current projects
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6416&page=23
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16263&page=11
http://ctb.ku.edu/en/table-of-contents/advocacy/respond-to-counterattacks/respond-to-opposition/main
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3819?msg=welcome_stranger
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=15961
http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35385/Repudiate-the-Public-Debt-How-About-Corporate-Personhood-and-Monopoly-Central-Banking/
Posted by one under god, Monday, 30 June 2014 11:44:39 AM
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Leyonhjelm's one term - Bugger You, I'm OK philosophy again. He's really on the right wing of the Liberal Party.

Certainly Leyonhjelm's $200,000 per year pay should not go to him.

This is a Stupid, simplistic article. Things happen by portions - so options of keeping all one's money or giving all to Government can never exist. In the real world Leyonhjelm people give some of their income to Government and keep some.

We are a society, not a selfish blokes' club.
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 30 June 2014 12:24:29 PM
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Nobody will a still functioning brain argues that we need to collect more tax.
Just not from those already carrying an unfair burden, but those who pay little or none, then have the hide to boast about it.
The solution is as plain as the nose on your face.
Massive reform and simplification, that eliminates tax compliance costs!
Costs which on average, rip around 7% from the bottom line, and if we're ever silly enough to introduce an ETS, 11%!
If we only had just one entirely unavoidable tax collecting all our revenue. The rate could be set around 18%, as a single, stand alone, unavoidable expenditure tax.
The unavoidable nature, would mean all avoiders, would finally pay a fair share, and only as a proportion of the actual business, done in this country.
If avoiders, which includes 95% of Australian corporations, now headquartered offshore, were forced to pay, the revenue base would double and triple, even more so, as the big, tax avoiding multinationals, found they could no longer avoid a fair share!
Meaning, as revenue receipts rose and rose, the general rate could come down and down, possibly as low as 5% marginally variable?
The effect of just one tax would be, a 30%+ improved bottom line for local business, and a 25% improvement in household disposables, making a 15% noncontributory super immediately available; but only as industry super, and only as indexed proscribed pensions, that would allow these retirement funds to grow and grow, along with economic benefit they would provide for us all, as the high tech manufacturing world, could be encouraged here, if we were only smart enough, to also couple the worlds cheapest tax, to the worlds cheapest energy!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 30 June 2014 12:32:40 PM
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The author of the article, Leyonhjelm, is not a member of the Liberal Party. The Liberal Party is the party that is governing Australia at the moment. The name of Leyonhjelm's party is the Liberal Democratic Party. The name was probably chosen to make careless voters believe they were voting for the Liberal Party. It is unfair to blame Leyonhjelm's nuttiness on the Liberal Party. Party names which might confuse voters should not be allowed.
Posted by david f, Monday, 30 June 2014 1:34:57 PM
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