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On angels and myths : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 30/6/2014

The re-enchantment of the world by way of the Christian story and the art that attends it exists in parallel with our physical understanding of how the world works.

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On the other hand, Mr Sellick, perhaps not.

>>Perhaps Christian art is a way into a much-needed re-enchantment of the world in which we may find ourselves more fully human?<<

I rather suspect that it was just another form of propaganda, supporting the rights arrogated themselves by the priesthood, that allowed them to dictate to king and commoner alike. The sheer beauty of the artists' product, and the confidence they displayed in the mythology that underpinned the subject matter, were used as "proof" of the artifacts' mystical origins.

They used much the same technique with music. One can only speculate at the impact of a cathedral-full of a Palestrina mass on the average sixteenth-century illiterate peasant. But in the hands of the church's spin doctors, it would have been presented as a pretty convincing argument, one would think, for the existence of "God's work". Royalty too, would have employed such music - for example, at their coronation - to convince the hoi polloi of the "divine right" of kings to rule over them.

Just another example of how human endeavour has, over the centuries, been drafted to the cause of reinforcing the power of one set of human beings over another.

Sad, really.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 30 June 2014 3:49:38 PM
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'Just another example of how human endeavour has, over the centuries, been drafted to the cause of reinforcing the power of one set of human beings over another. '

r u talking about porn Pericles. That seems to obsess the arty farties in the secular world. Only they call it 'art'.
Posted by runner, Monday, 30 June 2014 4:37:20 PM
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>> in the hands of the church's spin doctors, it would have been presented as a pretty convincing argument ... for the existence of "God's work" <<

Is it not so that also in the hands of scientists and its popularisers (the physic’s spin doctors?) what they write is presented as a pretty convincing argument for the Big Bang, quantum physics or relativity ? Although the common folk reading these things have an as naive understanding of physics, its philosophy and the mathematics involved as those illiterate peasants had of metaphysics and Palestrina’s motivation for writing his mass?
Posted by George, Monday, 30 June 2014 5:28:53 PM
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A well written piece.
Except that it is a load of rubbish.
An attempt to hearken back to a naive and essentially childish entirely mythological world which has no basis in Reality. A mythological world-view which dose not, and can not equip those who subscribe to it, to live with Real Intelligence in the instantaneously interconnected Quantum world of now (and future) time.

By contrast this essay describes what the purpose of a truly Spiritually inspired/informed Art should attempt to accomplish - the transcending of "point of view" in Vast Unpatterned Joy.

http://www.aboutadidam.org/readings/transcending_the_camera/index.html

This extraordinary essay is also very much about the transcendence of "point of view".
http://www.dabase.org/Reality_Itself_Is_Not_In_The_Middle.htm
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 30 June 2014 7:50:49 PM
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runner, the post modern art is not porn...child porn was brought about by our histor=y..hence the miss-understanding of art its self.

Jokes aside....Why are religious people so infatuated with children?

Kat
Posted by ORIGINS OF MAN, Monday, 30 June 2014 8:17:57 PM
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daffy/THAT STEP/TOO\FAR

<<..The scientific description..of light..["particles".and "waves"]..is further explained..if ..light..[ITSELF]..is understood..>>

first understand/this...a particle/is released..by
an event/as..the event progress../..THE PARTICLES..;..FORM WAVES

<<..(and/observed)..to-be always..in
a spiral..(or helix)..form—like..the material..DNA..>>>..

NON-SENSE/

science/uses/slots and scatter..
spiral/is\only correct/..if extremely\abstracted..[TO WIT..WATCH..AS A PHOTON..bumps/THROUGH ANTI-MATTER[SPACE]..LIKE..A WAVE*ROLLS ACROSS THE DEEP..

ie each..individual water-molicule/bumps
its/SURFACE-TENSION\energy/onwards/TO ITS NEIGHBOUR/..;..watchers state\they roll-over/back to where\they were/..but the wave[energy Kinetic-movement/has moved on

phoTON.. ARE MUCH THE SAME/..as the wae..spreads out/into the dark-matter/..;vacume/of outer-space..the individual photons...pass-over/by\the photon/exiting..@..180/..in the unlateral WAVE DIRECTIONal../to the point/that\we can capture..INDIVIDUAl-photons released..billions of years ago/long/lost..waves

not a 3 dimentional..corkscrew/spiral
[MORE LIKE..THE DIGETAL-LINEAR/POLARISED/LATERAL wave peaks/trough/SPIKE]

SAME/FORM/LIKE..<<>.form of DNA..(which is,..itself, =,,a direct materialization..of the structure..of light).>>

DAFFY../....DNA ACTUALLY EMITS LIGHT/LUMINESCENCE
further matter itself/is\..like ball lightening[basically light photons looping/..ENCLOSING\ENFOLDING//VIBRATING STRINGS OF LIight/forming substance/different vibration/wave lengths.for different mater

<<...If a spiral-form/is seen..at its point..>>..
\?/[FUKLCRUM/AXIS\?/....
<<..of rotation..(or its crossover*joint)?{

<<..,it is..observable..as a "particle"—>>
THE CROSS-OVER/rotating-JOINT/spiral-POINT?

RUBBISH

<<..and if/the..same spiral-form is..seen
with reference..to its limbs..of rotation>>

GIBBERISH
axis of rotation?..

<<..(before or after..its point of rotation,
or..its crossover joint),..it is observable as a "wave".>>

i think.your\saying cross-over point
or point of balance/po/nt PUNT..of no return?

LOL..A WAVE CROSS-OVER POINT;..STILL
SEE WE/HAVE HARMNMONIC OVERLAYS../..VIBRATORY-INTERPLAYS[HARMONCS/OR RATHER..THE..interfeance-WAVES..OF INTERACTIVE..phon-scatter/wavelet eventss..]like holographic plate

http://archive.org/stream/talbotholographicuniverse/talbotholographicuniverse_djvu.txt

<<..So,..also,..light..is observable/as both "particle" and "wave"—depending on which phase of its process..is observed..by attention (or "point of view", or ego-"I") .in time and space.>>

surprisingly/you arrived/at the right endpont
but much depends on ya slots;}

A vibrating string..can be seen/to demonstrate..the same spiraliform gait..as any mode..of observable light>>..

liken/this vibrating string..as afffecting one..OF THE THREE COLOUR WAVE RECIEVERS/receptors..IN THE EYE/..TO CONVERT THE..color/waves-VIBRATION..directly/INTO..chemical/ENEGY/THAT ACTIVATES/NERVES/RCEPTORS..TILL THE MIND/BRAIN//LOGUS LOGIC ..NNTERPLAY..VISUALISES THE CHEMICAL MESSAGES..PASSED AS INDIVIDIUAL IMPULSES/IN/NERVE/IMPLUSEWAVES

<<—and, so,..as a kind of/poetic inspiration,>>
..
lol

<<..Nevertheless,..whether light
is observed..(and,..thus,..understood)>>

lol/we see/obsrve\much..
we d0nt allways..realise..[AT/THE-TIME]..what
we are/PERCIEVING RATHER/THAN]..seeing[we summise it]
http://www.faraday.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/CIS/Wright/pdf/Wright_lecture.pdf

<<as a "particle"..or as a "wave"
or as a "string",..that observation..(or understanding)..is,
of/itself,..an act of./"perspectival objectification",>>

personal-objectification?

abslutly
http://www.spiritwritings.com/GatewayOfUnderstanding.pdf
wherein and whereby Reality Itself
is reduced—by the very act of observation,
or understanding, or mental fabrication—to a relation..>>
http://itsnobody.wordpress.com/2012/11/04/common-lies-spread-by-atheists/
lol

<<..(and, thus,..a subordinate)..of attention,
or "point of view",..or ego-"I".>>

.....................opinion?
Posted by one under god, Monday, 30 June 2014 9:08:09 PM
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