You know what Michael, if this had been the children's father, he would have been convicted of murder in the first instance not the fourth. & I know, all the Feminists & Lawyers would cheered the verdict without a second thought.

I read of a Study when it was claimed that more Mothers commit infanticide the Fathers, but it's not Politically Correct to say so.

Well the rule of two, three or four, would indubitably prove, that many Asian mothers and others living in extremely impoverished circumstances, are also murderers, and based on an identical if now thoroughly disgraced theory.
And given cases, where arrogant wife and child beating dads' hold on to the purse strings, with a tighter grip than that of a Scotsman gripping a five pound note; I think most deadbeat dads, get all the reverse kudos they so thoroughly deserve!
Given the evidence was entirely circumstantial, and based on thoroughly discredited theory, practiced it would seem, by a self taught clinician?
Then there should be either a retrial or an appeal!
But particularly, if this person could pass a space age lie detector test.
And here I'm not talking about a polygraph that a pathological liar can regularly, routinely beat, but completely covert thermal imaging brain scans and CAFRT, that not even a polygraph beating psycho can defeat.
If I had my druthers, they'd be in every court, and every witness's testimony, covertly tested.
This would largely replace, being able to treat any and or all witnesses as hostile, or already guilty, but treated with the same polite level of inquiry, we would all believe is our own birthright, in a so-called democratic country; no longer shackled to positively archaic traditions and conventions; that i.e., allowed a person to be transported for stealing a loaf of bread, or a pair of shoes, at the height of a bitter and cold Scottish highland winter; which as a few might actually know, is hell on bare feet!
It shouldn't be all about winning or losing, but illuminating true justice!
Do it again and do it right this time.
Isn't enough already, for a potentiality innocent person to lose four kids, without being persecuted by the state and imprisoned for a crime she did not commit; or, someone else, [another family member perhaps?] may have committed, or just didn't happen as envisaged, and was just a terrible tragedy, or has an unknown genetic cause?
Prove it beyond reasonable doubt, or lose it!
Rhrosty.

Rhrosty: I think most deadbeat dads, get all the reverse kudos they so thoroughly deserve!

Oh, I agree with you Rhrosty, but unfortunately, according to Feminists & their Lawyers, "All men are deadbeat dads." You see I've been in that situation where doing the right thing became my undoing. My 1st wife ran off with someone else & didn't want anything to do with our daughter but the Feminists threatened to dob her in to the Authorities because, she was working & had been collecting a deserted wife's pension Living with a defacto & there was something else which escapes me now. They forced her to take me to Court for the child even though she didn't want too. They tried & failed to make me out to be a dead beat dad. I raised my daughter buy myself for 27 months but lost on a technicality. She was under 3 years old. Just 2 week short of her birthday. Even though the Child Welfare people gave me tremendous report & praise my efforts. They condemned my wife in the sternest of terms. The Magistrate said it was not right to say those things about a "mother." My daughter is now a bottle full of mental problems which would never happened if the Court had made the right decision.

Even great dads get a bums rush when it comes to children.

Why do people make excuses for mothers of children who are killed or die in suspicious circumstances. Oh, they were having a bad hair day, that day. So it's OK?

Calls to mind the framing of Lindy Chamberlain on the strength of phoney "expert" evidence (identifying an industrial coating as "foetal blood stain") before a pig-ignorant NT jury. If the prosecution manages to convince a jury beyond all reasonable doubt that an innocent person has committed a crime, then when the truth comes out the prosecutor should go to prison for perverting the course of justice.

Jayb,
Society has such trouble asking women to take responsibility for their actions. If a man had been around 4 children who died he would be called a serial killer and never released from jail.
And this 'white knight' talks about circumstantial evidence. Yet when it comes to men the only circumstantial evidence needed is that the accuser is female and the accused happens to be male.
How anyone could defend a women who had not one, not two bur four children die in unexplained circumstances in a first world country in the 21 century is sickening.
It's cases like this that prove the 'best interests of the child' crowd are really 'the best interests of the mother'' crowd.

Jayb.
As a divorced dad with two girls of my own,I can understand your very visible heartbreak. And the only way out, is through it!
And you can't drown your sorrows, just float them to the surface!
As the son of a deserting deadbeat dad, however, I stand by my earlier comments entirely.
As someone who on one cold and rainy night, was very nearly killed by a homeless mother, driven crazy by the travails of trying to raise four kids, without so much as one iota of assistance from a so called deadbeat dad, or the state, or the rallies.
Or the eternally moralizing church, or their holier than thou, pulpit pounding pious parsimonious preachers!
Therefore, I can empathize with other mothers left in similar circumstances.
And usually by excuse making deadbeat dads, with all the, butter wouldn't melt in the mouth, excuses in the world, for their own shortcomings!
That said, it would be almost impossible, to not believe, that there are some mums out there, ready willing and able to lie through their back teeth, to get some advantage over, or just punish an errant father/partner.
And one might be very surprised to find, just how many mothers claim the wrong sire as the Mug who pays the bills, father; confirmed by modern DNA paternity testing exposure!
Nobody is perfect and neither are our family courts!
To reiterate, I would have all evidence and witnesses subject to covert space age lie detection, particularly, where accusations of incest etc, are used as a reason to remove a Father's/Childrens' rights, or grab a hugely unfair share of commonly owned property.
In any event, the losers in all these battles, are the entirely innocent kids, who are all too often affected for the whole of their lives, with failures to finish looming large in their education outcomes, career choices, or just lasting human relationships.
Proper testing of evidence as envisaged, would rob the excuse makers of their run of the mill excuses, for all too often inexcusable behavior, be they men, women or sometimes, manipulative precocious kids
Rhrosty.

Can't argue with that Rhrosty.

Still only s small percentage on fathers are deadbeat dads. The feminists & their Lawyers want to make out that ALL dads are evil regardless. A feminist said to me that if a father was being a good father he was only manipulating the family. So dads can't win.

Knew a women in Townsville that was married five times & took her husbands for everything they owned each time she divorced one. She said to me that she would never get married again. I thanked her on behalf of the men she wouldn't ruin. She was not happy. I was though.

The Folbigg case was a tragedy and obviously some testimony was wrong, just like in many other cases. I hate to see a travesty of justice with any case, but I doubt the dreaded "feminists" had anything at all to do with this case.

JayB "Still only s small percentage on fathers are deadbeat dads. "
Really?
How do you know?
You can't know everyone's personal circumstances.

I had a deadbeat dad who left my mother with us four kids and no support, and I have personally known many since then, but I now have a wonderful husband who is a great dad.
Rhosty told us of his obviously painful childhood and divorce, but if I told you the same story, as a woman, I have no doubt there would not be the same sympathy from you.

Rhostry,
Another person who cant accept that women have agency or should be held responsible for their actions.
Even though nobody goes to church or believes in god apparently its the churchs fault.
Apparently dads can only be written written with 'deadbeat' in front because dads can only be deadbeat and mums would only lie to punish an 'errant' 'deadbeat' dad.

Do women have any agency in your world? Are women really such febrile precious creatures that they cant take any responsiblity for their actions?

Suseonline: JayB "Still only s small percentage on fathers are deadbeat dads. " Really? How do you know?

Because the deadbeat dads are blown up in the media with lots of noise. They are the only DADS the we hear about. I read a Scientific Report once where it said that 12.5% of anything gives the other 87.5% a bad name. I believe this to be so. I know lots of very good dads.

Equally, I know lots of extremely bad mothers but we're not allowed to talk about them, are we. Not PC you see.

I married two of them, but I still consider most women as decent women. I could have had an attitude, like, ALL women are bad, because of my experience, but I don't.

Suseonline: You can't know everyone's personal circumstances.

True. Because of YOUR experience, what bias has that brought? Most women, who had a deadbeat dad go on & marry someone just like their dad. They get rid of him & go & marry another deadbeat, perpetuating the myth.

Suseonline: but I now have a wonderful husband who is a great dad.

You say you have a good husband, that's great & I happy for you. I'm glad you broke the mould. There are a lot more good men out there too.

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Suseonline: I had a deadbeat dad who left my mother with us four kids and no support, and I have personally known many since then,

I dare say you do Suse, It seems that most women spend their lives associating with like minded people & never see what the rest of the World is about.

I had a great mother & father, all of my rellies had great parents. The only time I saw deadbeat dads was the family up the road who put the kids, girls & boys, naked in the shower once a week & flogged them for whatever wrong they did during the week. The kids grew up doing the same thing to their kids. I know, one married my sister, that didn't last long.

I had some neighbours recently, for a short time & he was bad. I taught her how to stand up & now she is a life long friend & the next time she found a good man, who is a good dad. Braking the mould is what it's about.

Suse, there are a few bad dads & mums out there , but not as many as you imagine. There are more good mums & dads then bad.

As usual when a mother kills her own children there always seems to be some legitimate excuse or other, yet if a father does it he is always seen as a hideous monster. In a case in Adelaide a while back a mother of 4 shook her youngest child to death. When the case came before the courts the judge ruled that the mother keep custody of the other 3 children, "because she might become depressed if separated from them". WTF. Apart from time spent while waiting for the matter to come before the courts she didn't do a single day in jail for killing her own child, but I bet London to a brick that a father would be jailed for years and would probably never see his children again. As Jayb mentioned biological mothers and fathers kill their own children at approximately equal rates (easy to look up via ABS or crime statistics). Most violence or serious abuse of children is carried out by mums new BF. Meanwhile a father has to sit back while mums new boyfriend or (often)boyfriends have more rights to his children than he has.

jayb: I had some neighbours recently, for a short time & he was bad.

Actually he was mentally ill, so was his mother. They were a great combination. The police would take him to the Hospital. He'd stay in over night, then they would kick him out again & he'd be back creating another row. Then the mother would turn up & abuse the wife for calling the Police on her son. All great stuff. Then the Police would take both to the Hospital for the night & out again next day. Same ol', same ol'.

If we had Mental Institutions like we had in the 70's before the Do-Gooders closed them all down because of Political Correctness, this sort of thing wouldn't happen. The mother was real loony tunes & he was just plain nuts. What happens when one of these people snap. Oh, it was just a bad hair day, it'll be OK.

The house next door just become vacant & she is moving back to be near us. Without the Loonys. Her new Guy, they're getting married soon, is a real nice guy. Well for a Yank. ;-) She says, I'm like the Dad she never had.