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By Don Aitkin, published 24/6/2014Given that they have had virtually a monopoly of the mass media, the government and the scientific academies, doesn't that point to a fundamental problem with the 'climate change' message?
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Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 9:34:45 AM
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OUG,
"SORRY MATE/I MISSED..THAT/WHERE DID..HE SAY/THAT?" How about here... "“Gravitational lensing isn’t about the gravitational field bending space-time, …it’s about the gravitational field affecting plasma density along the gradient; the varying plasma density in turn affects the path light takes. The scientists who support [a different proposition] are either unaware of this phenomenon or they do not want you to know about this, this is bad news for them”" That's why we have peer review...so that people who propose things like: ""....The scientists who support [a different proposition] are either unaware of this phenomenon or they do not want you to know about this, this is bad news for them”" ...are further examined, weeded out or confirmed in their ideas. This is a scientist who attempts to meld modern scientific practice with the 66 books of the Bible. ...... SPQR, Regarding Newton, no-one is denigrating his religious beliefs or suggesting that because he held them, he couldn't think scientifically. But we are talking of a different time here - a different Zeitgeist. Bertrand Russel said: "The immense majority of intellectually eminent men disbelieve in Christian religion, but they conceal the fact in public, because they are afraid of losing their incomes." I'm not saying that applies to a man like Newton. I am saying that as science and the centuries have progressed, it's now much harder to find a scientist who would reference the 66 books of the Holy Bible to enhance scientific argument. Scientists deal in empirical evidence - and citing things like a 6.000-odd year-old Earth, a 500 year-old Noah, virgin births and bodily ascension to Heaven in the sky, etc are incompatible with scientific method and practice. Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 10:31:38 AM
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Dear SPQR,
Just to follow on from Poirot's post. From the site you posted; “After purchasing and studying Newton's alchemical works in 1942, economist John Maynard Keynes, for example, opined that "Newton was not the first of the age of reason, he was the last of the magicians". In the Early Modern Period of Newton's lifetime, the educated embraced a world view different from that of later centuries. Distinctions between science, superstition, and pseudoscience were still being formulated, and a devoutly Christian Biblical perspective permeated Western culture.” Mate, Newton was doing his thing in a vastly different time, over 300 bloody years ago. Your bloke is operating in a period where 'distinctions between science, superstition, and pseudoscience have been pretty well thoroughly formulated'. The chap is loopy. You were foolish to have posted him in the first place but you are compounding that foolishness by doubling down. Rather some lame-arsed response you need to cut him loose now, take your medicine like a man and move on. Dear ant, I have no doubt that the Arctic sea ice will reach near record lows this season. Of course there are many concerns with the implications of this including permafrost melting. Thankfully the record Antarctic Ice extant will be balancing the albedo factor at least. In one way it is fascinating seeing real time human induced geological changes occurring before our eyes but the fears I have for my children and their futures is very sobering. Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 11:16:28 AM
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Poirot,
<<But we are talking of a different time here - a different But we are talking of a different time here - a different Zeitgeist.> And,and --please give my due --I have always allowed for the fact that and you and Steele come from a different era ...a zeitgeist much akin to that portrayed in The Crucible And as for Dr Edward Dowdye Jr you need to examine his theories on their merits --certainly NASA saw enough value or nous in him to employ him --and we know how keen you true believer types are (or have been in the past) to spruik any association with NASA! Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 11:20:02 AM
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P/QUOTE..<<."“Gravitational lensing isn’t about..>>
ABOUT ENERGY..get it darling..E=energy* [energy=u=me=gravity/wether or not its ensing tell me dear heart/what means gravitational lensing? its bull/like alians/brining life[who 'bruing their lifving? G/L..isnt about,,<<.. the gravitational field bending space-time,>> oh/so monsigneur purrot/your saying space/time=mass i think the m[isnt needed]..but for the fact it turns as into mass yes/mass\has gravtational/affect..<<>.…it’s about the gravitational field affecting plasma density along the gradient;>> along which gradient/oh disobediant one? <<>.the varying plasma density>>..of the gloabaly lensed/g-field\ lol/bending\space-times/ass..lol about gravy/field/affecting plasma/density..along the gradient..lol..<<>.in turn affects the path light takes. and show how e-mc2..did that changed that or how that prat rot explains anything? <<.The scientists who support [a different proposition] are either unaware of this phenomenon or they do not want you to know about this, this is bad news for them”">> yes/they either drank that previous coolaid/or the god of these realm[satan]..has blindED THEIR HEARing/seeing leave the pigs enjoy their muck a dog dont notice the dirt/smells only the meat chickens care little they eat anything incuding other chickens=meat let those of satan/know their master if you cant explain/it..refrain from trying to explaiN IT darling..nonone knows what it means/but when we do..darwins[sorry eibstein/is assured to be standing there too.. he woRKED/THE PAENT CIRCUT/didnt ned reverse engeneer'] do TRY TO WATCH HIS 4 COMMEDY MOVIES;..he was an amasing dude. but/emergy/begubg equal to mass..[ie density] dont relate to volitility/nor speed..of light energy=mass/plus\means/way/rate of releasse then the energy consrvation law/to make sure you dont loose/NATURAL END FRUIT RELEASE..product..[energy capital return.darling..please..explain..how mass squeezed into a emclosed space/heats/emits energy..why[e=mc2/not even close. <<That's why we have peer review.?>> ohh dea must please the guru dont make me sick/the same teqnique as tha other 'priestly clique/we know how crook that is dont we monsigneur purro or are you even ahh mister...? har/ha..got ya/love ya like my right hand[ok maybe left] Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 1:07:39 PM
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Dear SPQR,
So when shown to have been so obviously in error your default position, which sadly reflects that of many of the conservative posters on this forum, is to attack those who point out your transgression and defend to the hilt the indefensible. Dowdye was not a NASA physicist but rather an electrical engineer. From his own website; “Dr. Dowdye is an electrical engineer (retired) at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.” http://www.extinctionshift.com/author.htm Later he was a graduate student at Howard University under Professor Misra and got his doctorate in 2000; “(Graduate Student: Physics). Ph.D. Dissertation: "FT-IR Spectroscopic Assessment of Gas-Phase Absorption of Atmospheric Molecular Species at Low Concentrations and Their Associated Adsorption Effects on Various Material Surfaces" (Graduated Spring 2000).” http://www.physics1.howard.edu/~pmisra/spectroscopy/personnel.htm More from his site; “Dr. Dowdye is an independent researcher and is Founder of Pure Classical Physics Research where he focuses in depth on the Truth and the Profound Fundamentals and Pure Laws of Nature, all first set in motion by the Devine Creator, the Almighty Lord God.” Pure Classical Physics Research? Try finding that baby on the web. Global warming? “2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." "A NASA study confirms the Earth constantly receives more energy from the sun than it reflects back into space. A massive snow storm would require a corresponding quantity of solar energy for the vaporization of its water. The more massive the snow is, the greater the quantity of solar energy required for the vaporization of its water. Solar Energy in the form of Radiant Heat vaporizes the Waters of the Earth from which the Snow is produced by God's Nature” Come on mate put this one to bed. At least you get to walk away with a modicum of credibility. Do so and I promise never to mention this again. Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 1:43:56 PM
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yes/DID YOU?
<<..The research*..published..in\the ScienceInTheBible.net website supports..the doctrines..of the..66 Books..>>[EXCLUDING/THE\PROPHECY?]
WOW../ATHEIST\DYNOMITE*?
[WHAT/WILL..agnostrick/ATHEISTS/..CONcure/REFUTE?
THE\FRUIT/of..the Holy-Bible.
<<>.IMPORTANT*NOTE:
*..This website..does/not..promote
or..support alternatives..to\the Bible.>>
OR/OTHER\SCARED-TEXTS?
NO..just..the bible..
<<..*..This website..does*not..promote..or..make/any use
of..Scientology..nor..theories/of Intelligent Design..*>>
INTELIGENT*DESIGN=GOD?
OR DNA.,.EVOLVING=GOD..[YOU KNOW..INTELLI-GENT/LOGICAL/FALSIFIABLE/..YET THIS..\/..'BIBLE BASHER/\..REFUTES GOD DUN IT..huh?
do/you..dispute god too/
pure-[or/not]?
<nor theories/intel-design..<<which..is essentially..a movement.
..*..This website..does_not..promote,..support..or make any\use of Darwin..>>
OK/DENIED..GOD../DENIED\..DARWIN..
denies/<<..theories*..of evolution..>>..please/note-proviso..<<..which donot..rest..*on..*firm/scientific principles.>>
DARWIN/HIMSELF..DENIED EVOLUTION..[OF GENUS]
go read\his work/evolution/..*of species*..[within-genus/FAMILIES..ETC].
DARWIN/proved/that doves..breed doves/dogs/breed\dogs..catus=cats..canus=canus..finches breed finches
bird/do-it\bees,,do-it..even/flowrs/trees..do-it*
via..survival/of\..the fittest\we get/natural variations[within the genus-mean]..never new genus*
<<..*..This website/does not\promote..or support..in any way/any of the*'crafts'/..arts../..such as astrology..which\has absolutely nothing..at all/to do with\science.>>
so far/..they\he/..lok more-like..one of yourn
than/one\of/mine..[WHAT SPECIFICLY..YOU REFUTING..MY DEAR?]
<<..The Bible..clearly instructs\us..to stay..clearly away from "divining<i>rods"..[male]..[Xy]..or.."dowsing>u<stick..the female..[XX]s"...as such things..are not..Godly practices.>>>..
WHY NEED..THEY\he/..SAY THAT?
TO..CUT OUT..diminish\the majic/..predictive/
from/the\pre planed fix/..*new!eyes*...and you..\judged his work/..
now reveal/his\bad fruits?
why/this web-site/CREATED\WAS..to give aid/comfort
WHY?
<<..Because of the vast..intimidations,..the complexities of the modern day/MAGAZINE/sciences..and the aggressive/onslaught\of the non-believers against believers[WITH/A\GOD-LESS/CREATION-FABLE..],..
>>||<<>.it is sometime necessary..to tool up..with the mental blocks,..using..our own God given talents..and minds/in defense of the/RIGHT\2/faith...IN ANY ABSURDITY/SANTA/CHOCOLATE/EGGS/SATAN.
<<..The objective..is to help*..the teaching/of those who are challenged*..by the vast waves..of non-sense,..*sloppy sciences and the attacks..against people/of\LITTLE-faith.
PURE-ROTEquote..<<..And you?..reckon.he's likely to overturn Einstein's theory..which has been/proved mathematically over and over again?>>
SORRY MATE/I MISSED..THAT/WHERE DID..HE SAY/THAT?
indeed/where/proved?..what key/thing..wouldnt exist/but for
E=energy=mass/[what/mass/weight..in tone/pounds ounces/suns?
what/means..mass..times:../times\..the speed of light/times the speed of light..THAT GIVES/US..WHAT?..A REALLY/BIG/NUMBER]BIG/DONT..mean/its right!
ANYHOW SO YOUR..REFUTING..*SOMETHING..HE..did/or\DIDNT SAY
ANY REFUTING..HIS OTHER-STUFF..YOU DIDNT READ,,2?
LIKE POINT-OUT..his/ERROR?
or..is/it easier..to
just overstate/..ie/BE\blinded-hate?
http://scienceinthebible.net/
Gee Willikers/mate..!
Certainly worthy..of your favourite
*R.igging..[reneging?]..*Of..*Fanciful *Lavishments
*Marking..[MASKING]..*Angry..O*position.
via..fanciful\obfuscation ;.by avoidance/of BIAS/weighing presented proofs/to those\of little[or no;..FAITH].?
YOUR REFUTING/YOUR IDEA..OF WHAT HE..*MAY BE*..SAYING
OR IMPLYING/BECAUSE\..THE INNER VOICE..YOUR HEARING IS deaf..[AVOIDANCE..LOL..YOU?
REFUTE FACTS/.please/you know/show\the track/..or/the lack of fact enact..because by its absence..it lacks...
its/a punt..refuting..no specific point]
EXPLAIN..E=MC2..?..what..good such/rubbish..to u..?
it..[e-mc2]..makes/the trains;run..on time?[or/its easy/to..recall;im a scientist=e=mc2..
i now rule/the wurd...world/CAUSE
I KNOW..ABACADRABRA../AND\..E=mc2..the/world/my\oysters..sim/sella/bling.
[ho*cuss/po-cuss/fo-cuss.]