Rhrosty, the examples you cite are extreme cases and not typical of most of what is described as DV.

The case most of us have been putting for quite a while has been pretty well covered by Adam.

Simply put when both genders are asked questions about actions without pre-loading the outcomes large numbers of studies over a long time in many countries have shown similar rates of initiation of violence against intimate partners. A significant proportion of relationships where violence is a factor involve both parties initiating the violence at times. When the violence escalates then women are more likely to suffer serious harm, the general difference between women's and men's size and strength is a factor in outcomes not in who initiates the violence.

The determination by the feminist lobby to portray intimate partner violence as massively gendered has left male victims with few options, support services are all to often dismissive of their plight, leave and face a very large uphill battle to maintain residency of children etc. Punch someone often enough without them feeling they have any "good" ways to get that to stop and sometimes people will make choices they would not otherwise make.

So yes the obvious injuries look gendered but that does not tell you who hit's early and who hit's often. You might also be more inclined to think of other reasons why a male is carrying injuries than DV than you would for similar injuries visible on a woman.

You might also think about male suicide rates and ask to what extent they are impacted by partner violence (not necessarily physical). I wish I had that answer.

Within the home both genders can initiate violence, both can struggle to find good answers to a partners violence. Both can harm their kids.

R0bert

Yes Killarney we understand that you don't think systematic research asking the same questions of both genders and a failure to apply feminist theory to the outcomes can stack up against a whip around the "women's action group" to provide evidence of what's happening. Ok maybe a little exaggeration but I not so much.

Point to credible research that has actually asked the same questions of experience of partner violence without the pre-loading of subjective terms or which are very clear in what they are claiming and those claims match the questions asked and without the post loading of feminist interpretation which also shows the highly gendered nature of DV which you so desperately want to portray and I'll look.

In all the years I've been looking at and commenting on this issue I've not seen one reference to research supporting the position the feminists put which didn't start with a statement of faith about beliefs about DV or carry other major flaws guaranteed to impact on the outcome.

The carry on about Conflict Tactics Scale flaws is a smoke screen based mostly on some minor historical flaws whilst ignoring the fundamental lack of rigour in studies used to support the viewpoint you prefer. You are part of the problem, not any attempt at a solution.

R0bert

CODY...

And you point is...?

Killarney, not a single one of your statistics is correct.

These articles will keep coming because women like you do not want to take responsibility for your part in the drama of human history. The attempt to make everyone else the repository of human evil and claim perfect innocence for their own group is a strange human behaviour embodied by fundamentalist christians/muslims/feminists etc. This is the basis of every single conflict in human history, the need to see yourself as greater/better/purer than another. I call it moral terrorism.

Killarney, "But the big whopping elephant in the tiny little room is that global violence is MALE driven. We mostly look at violence as a 'human' trait, when it's mostly a 'human MALE' trait. And culturally, male violence is worshipped and glorified as being rugged and masculine and manly."

Cr@p.

From the day one was born, my mother was cruel, violent, manipulative, one has seen their father dominated by an aggressive woman for the whole of his life, he never ever retaliated or struck back, we as a family have all suffered mentally as to the extent of the violence perpetrated by my mother throughout our lives, not only to him but ourselves.
Women are as violent as men, don't be fooled by that exterior of submission and nicety, follow them home, you may learn the true facts.
Erections in a completely drunk male for sexual enjoyment would be almost nil, violence may occur because he cannot get it up, but he would more likely puke or fall asleep.