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By Rachael Jackson, published 13/5/2014A mother is raped and becomes pregnant. Should abortion be an option for her? What might her child think?
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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 12:48:19 AM
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Dear David,
I apologise. I misrepresented your intention. Nevertheless, your original statement, <<Since a part of humanity is apparently tied to a worship of nonsense religion will not go away>> the way you wanted it read, was a false accusation, equating religion to the worship of nonsense, whereas using the same words, I have turned it into a gem. Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 4:46:22 AM
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Dear david f,
>>“Having survived and reproduced” is the only criterion for evolutionary success in a Darwinian sense<< I agree; the criterions I listed were not what Darwin would have had in mind. The fact that there are individuals in various species that can, or can be taught to, do things that hitherto only humans were supposed to be capable of, is irrelevant here. There are six years old children that can do many things that their peers cannot, nevertheless, an adult human is considered to be more intelligent, more capable of doing things (useful as well as detrimental) to his/her environment, than an average six years old. >>A sense of consciousness is possibility an attribute into which we have been socialised.<< I am not sure about consciousness being socialised into, but yes, a human baby (though probably not all of them), but NOT a baby chimpanzee or other animal, could be “socialised” by adult humans to become an artist, an engineer, scientist or philosopher. This is one way of seeing that humans are more intelligent and capable of changing their environment than other species. >>The greatest change in the environment was made by anaerobic bacteria<< The humans’ capability to change the planet’s environment - for better or worse - has not yet been completely realised and it might not stop at our planet. But even so, I think most of us will agree that man is more intelligent than a bacterium, both individually and in a group. I do not understand how criteria - “a principle or standard by which something (actually defined by these criteria) may be judged or decided” - should stand up to examination. The criteria I mentioned attempted to define what I meant by saying that our species was unprecedented. >>I think it will come to humanity determining its own evolutionary progress consciously<< This is exactly what I meant by saying that consciousness was becoming the driving engine of evolution. Not every religion, not even Marxism, are frightening only their extreme forms as we have known them. (ctd) Posted by George, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:31:00 AM
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This explosive mixture
http://www.learning-mind.com/quantum-theory-proves-that-consciousness-moves-to-another-universe-after-death/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biocentric_universe http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225190/Can-quantum-physics-explain-bizarre-experiences-patients-brought-brink-death.html#axzz2JyudSqhB http://www.news.com.au/news/quantum-scientists-offer-proof-soul-exists/story-fnenjnc3-1226507686757 http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201112/does-the-soul-exist-evidence-says-yes http://www.hameroff.com/penrose-hameroff/fundamentality.html has given birth..to the new theory of..biocentrism,..which the professor has been/preaching ever since...Biocentrism teaches that life and consciousness..are fundamental*..to the universe... ..It is consciousness..that creates..the material-universe,.. [not the uni-verse..that creates*.the/conciousness.] Lanza points to the structure..of the universe itself,..and that the laws,..forces,..and constants..[of the..visable..universe appear to be fine-tuned..*for life,..[implying intelligence existed..prior to matter's/existance].. He also claims../..evidence..\..that space and time..are not objects or things,..but rather tools..of understanding...Lanza says..*that we carry space..and time..around us..“like turtles with shells.”.. meaning that/when the shell..comes off ..ie..(space and time)[body/meat]..yet,..we..[our awareness]..[life experiences/hopes doubts/fears..]..*still exist. The theory..[proof]..implies that any/real-death..of consciousness..simply does not exist. http://new-birth.net/books_life_after_death.htm death..only exists..as a thought/expectation/hope]fear..because people identify themselves/exclusivly..with/as-if..their body...They believe..that the body..[energy../in\..stasis]..is going to perish,thus/that..sooner or later,..their/thinking their\consciousness..thusly/will disappear..too. If*..the body..[generates consciousness,] then..consciousness dies..when the body dies...But *if..the body..receives consciousness..in the same way that a cable box..receives satellite signals,..then of course consciousness..does not end..at the death/switching-off]..of the physical/reciever-vehicle. In fact,..consciousness exists..outside of any..constraints..implicite..of time..and space...It is able to be anywhere:..[like a hollographic/plate]..with/in..the human body..and outside of it. In other words,..it is non-localised..omnipresent/presence ..in the same sense..that quantum objects..are non-local... ...Consciousness resides,..according to Stuart..and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose,..in the microtubules..of the brain cells,..which are the primary sites/of quantum processing.[by sympathetic/imputus].. Upon death,..this information..is released/ignored..*from recieving,,by..your material-body,..meaning that/your consciousness goes with it/change..of state;responce..leaving. [They have argued..],,that our experience*..of consciousness is the result..of quantum..gravitus-effects..in these microtubules,..[a theory which]..they dubbed..orchestrated objective..*[reductionism]..[Orch-OR). Consciousness,..[or at least..proto-consciousness]..is theorized by them..to be..a fundamental property of the universe,..present even at the first moment/of the universe\during the Big Bang. “In one..such schematic..proto-conscious experience..is a basic property../of physical reality\..accessible to a quantum process associated*with brain's..[sensory],,contective sympathetic/activity.”..centers.. linking with other immediate body/material reality recognized/inputs. Our souls..are in fact constructed..from the very fabric\dust/..of the universe –..and..will/have existed since the beginning's of time's. Our brains..are just..[tuned][sympathetic-receivers]..and amplifiers/speakers..for the unspokrn/wull..for the proto-consciousness..that is..in/of..herself..intrinsic to the fabric of space-time...humanity/humility/matriachy..most holy-spirit/unseen..be seen...[set/the\scene][sTs] Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:37:21 AM
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(ctd)
Another point I was trying to make was that we have an “innate propensity” for religion as well as for, for instance, mathematics, and there are “primitive” versions of both. A person who was not taught formal school-mathematics will still develop some “primitive” understanding of numbers etc, filling that gap. In case of religion, I said, I did not know what would fill the gap. More precisely, although individuals will find - many have already found - other worldviews (on all levels of rationality and tolerance) to fill the emotional, explanatory and guiding functions that used to be catered for by classical religion, on the level of whole societies it is too early to say. It would take a couple of generations to tell if something at all - “secular humanism”? - can replace traditional religion’s cohesive function. If you do not like Opus Dei you will certainly abhor the American Michael Voris (c.f. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Voris). I vaguely remember you already mentioning Peter Kennedy. He is apparently just one of the many progressivists, who, as you say “question traditional doctrines”. In the Catholic Church there are (a) “traditionalists” (that Micheal Voris is an extreme example of), who “cannot read the signs of the times”, as well as (b) “progressivists”, who want the millennia old Institution to succumb to the zeitgeist. This shows what a Solomonic task is there for the Pope (and his followers) in trying to cater for both of these “wings” of the mammoth Institution, which both have their moderate as well as extreme adherents (Lefevbrists are out of the Church, though still falling under the heading of Christian, like e.g. the Protestants). You are so right, that more extremism on one side breeds more extremism on the other. This is true not only in the Catholic Church but also, for instance, in American politics. I agree that there is not a clear line between amoral (what my conscience says I should not) and illegal (what the state says I must not) but that is another can of worms. Thanks again for stimulating my brains. Posted by George, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:38:37 AM
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ceo/geo\quote..wrote..<<..“innate*propensity”..>>
i call it..sympathetic harmonics/a/tuned-resonance we resonate..set up vibe..sympatheticly.. sympathetic/with..awareness<<..for religion..>> for..infinite reason/..but mostly for..a..yearning/affirmed/link..[vibe]..to\the..unseen <<..as\well..as/..for,..for instance,,,mathematics,>> gay/or..sex..or sexless/..aborted or supported seen secret/..known..knowable..bio/interacting\..awarenessies like subscribed/skill/sympathies/order../protocol..majic *thus knowing..the..'jargon'..symbology/scale/key* seeing..the meaning/*\behind the symbols/! the logic..in the letters/..names..[with-in their specialised frames of referance]..[of aware/interconnected/being and inter-being]...[of/with]..all..[that able to be 'seen'/known/called\or recollected/percieved].. ob-served/by its linked[sympathetic]..vibratiry 'recievers/ upto..and..including..demons/as-much-as\de*mons like light.. has..it's..'spectrums'./heavem\hell..its realms/sheres[of influence].. <<..and\there/are..“primitive” versions..of both..[A person who was not taught..formal]..school-mathematics..[symbiology]..will still develop..some..“primitive”..understanding..of numbers..etc,..[filling that gap.]..>> we see/one seed=one one/plant=infinitly vairiable..more seeds some seeds/yield/by tens..others..yeild/100 fold..yet other seeds..in thousands.. but millions come..only by spoors/moulds/fungi..each according to their root/source[seed/that..was..[planted..in/on..fertile soil] <<..In..case/of..religion,>> and..near\anything else/that..expands mens..concepts..[with those/of finite/infinte/good/ill..] ie..<<..other worldviews>> exactly/but..also..under-standing..all\other/being* regardless..of/our percieving..their reason/of\being <<..(on..all levels..of rationality..and tolerance)..to fill\the emotional,..explanatory..and guiding-functions>> dennis/walker..is..treaty member/with <<..Peter Kennedy.>> <<..In the Catholic Church there are <<(a)..“traditionalists”..[who..“cannot read..the signs/of the times”,>.... interesting..i thought peter was..a sign..'of these times'[..he signed treaty..on behalf of heaven/hell?\[let/neye..be nay]..with denniswalker[black panther/elder of..cuba/angola..fatima...[i would think/him../as\..the 'progresss-ive].. <<..as well..as>>..possesive..<<..(b)..“progressivists”,..who want..the millennia old..Institution to succumb>> are both popes..possesive or regressive? like soon..one..or the other/must die...<<<to..the zeitgeist.>>..[?} peter/goes..to rome/riding on..a pinto..he must pass-by..the east gate..to open..the river/of life\upon..which emerges..the messiah...[or so angels or demons]..in my minds-'cules'..reverberate..into my words. http://bit.ly/1jMMVjM <<.This shows/what..a Solomonic task..is there for the Pope>> go to..the nest of vipers with..only christ..as his shield in the name of the holy ghost/wholly spirit..to unite the fathers divided house/..to concrcrate russia..to mary[declare the judgment/upon god;casting down/into these realms\..satan and his band of freethinkers..[now suns..in thyne heavens\pit/.\../to\set them free?.. <<..these “wings” of..the mammoth Institution,>> needs to divide..one wing..to seve love..of god/histry creed/paternalistic protection..of holy texts etc/..as a sacred trust/the other totaly to service/materialistic\post gods creation] <<..which both/have\their moderate>> let..the paper work/be gatherd/sorted..in the same place recognise the many saints..of christs..divided church/..as well as the manyfold others..given reveal/from spirit/\ luther/wesly/swedenborg/bakker-eddie..mormans..fox etc their revealations/need be gatherd/honourd\concsecrated/humanity to the son/in rome\..and..russia..to that arte..of motherhood/nurture..and mary. <<Thanks again..for stimulating my brains.>> me/too. pope/going..to the mountain/ to unite the fathers divided house do../or\..die..[?]..but death..where is thy sting/?\ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632447/CIA-knows-missing-Flight-MH370-says-former-Malaysian-PM-Dr-Mahathir.html know..it wasnt/iran/russia/nor china. one man..walks/but not alone/see the army/of spirit\walking along/with the peace bringer[comfort-her] http://www.google.com.au/search?q=pope+israel+peace+treaty& http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632858/The-ultimate-living-How-poor-carve-living-SEWERS-Eastern-European-city.html http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/evidence-meritocracy-made-poor-people/ http://www.newsforage.com/2014/05/food-should-be-regulated-like-tobacco.html Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 9:58:26 AM
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Dear Rachael,
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Rape is forceful, non-consensual sexual intercourse.
The Supreme Court of the Philippines recently condemned a husband for raping his wife. The couple had been married for 24 years and had two daughters :
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/602613/high-court-rules-for-first-time-husbands-cant-rape-wives
Criminalization of marital rape in Australia began with New South Wales in 1981, followed by all the other states from 1985 to 1992. New Zealand outlawed marital rape in 1985. In the United States the movement began in the mid-1970s and by 1993 marital rape became a crime in all 50 states. In the UK it became a crime in 1991. It is also outlawed in most Western countries, including Russia and the previous Soviet Union countries.
As you probably know, Rachael, the large majority of rapes, whether marital or otherwise, are never reported to the police. Though it’s no comfort to you, I am sure you are not alone and that there are quite a number of people around today who owe their existence to a brutal act of rape – though many of them may not necessarily be aware of it.
The spermatozoid which fertilized your mother’s egg committed no fault. It was just as innocent as you and your mother. Like all spermatozoids, it simply performed the task nature had designed it for.
The spermatozoid’s host forced himself on your mother merely to satisfy his own, selfish, sexual impulses. It had nothing to do with procreation. That was another question. You were your mother’s idea – and her’s alone. She fought with all her might to keep you. She sacrificed herself in order for you to live.
Your mother is a genuine hero and I pay tribute here to her immense courage, dignity and determination. She told the truth. She did not pretend it was a virgin birth. She suffered pain and humiliation and bore her cross to the point of losing her mind, without a whisper.
Morality, if there is such a thing, is plainly on your mother’s side. She did what she considered was right. Others did her harm. She gave only love in return.
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