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The IPCC now says it’s OK to adapt to ‘climate change’ : Comments

By Don Aitkin, published 11/4/2014

It seems to me that the IPCC may well be coming to the view that if it is to survive, it will have to have more than the mitigation arrow in its quiver.

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If there is a relationship between co2 and temperature how come with increasing co2 average surface temperatures are not rising as all you terrorist models predict?

If your quoted paper does link the two shouldn't temps now be rising?

Or are you going to deny the 'pause' too?
Posted by imajulianutter, Saturday, 12 April 2014 2:41:23 PM
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Yes, ant, you represent yourself as reporting on the real world, and then deliver another load of baseless, alternate reality assertions.

Remember that when you were asked for science to back your support of the AGW fraud, you referred us to a site which made the same baseless claim that human activity was causing warming but put forward no science to justify the assertion.

Firstly, you can produce no reference to science showing any measurable effect of human activity on climate.
Secondly, when you say climate change is happening, you do not make it clear whether you are speaking English, or relying on the weasel worded, baseless definition of the phrase put forward by the mendacious IPCC.

In plain English, climate change is occurring. It is fraudulent to represent, as the IPCC does, that AGW has any scientific validity.

You have not clarified, ant, whether your support of fraud arises from ignorance or dishonesty, but you seem to be past the point where you might plead ignorance,

It is well recognized that glaciers advance and retreat continually, which is why the fraud backers mention the retreats and ignore the advances. There is nothing new in dramatizing the melting of ice at the poles. It is standard procedure for the fraud backers.

There was some comic relief in the clown, Chris Turney, causing the ship to be stuck in the ice, at the South Pole, that he represented was melted, but this was at great expense to taxpayers. It is to be hoped that some action will be taken in respect of his incompetence or dishonesty
Posted by Leo Lane, Saturday, 12 April 2014 2:52:58 PM
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dear ant

here is a quote from your cited report

'This is entirely consistent with the idea that temperature and CO2 are intimately linked, and each acts to amplify changes in the other (what we call a positive feedback).It is believed that the warmings out of glacial periods are paced by changes in Earth’s orbit around the Sun, but the tiny changes in climate this should cause are amplified, mainly by the resulting increase in CO2, and by the retreat of sea ice and ice sheets (which leads to less sunlight being reflected away). Looking at the warming out of the last glacial period in detail, we can see how remarkably closely Antarctic temperature and CO2 tracked each other.
Photo
Fig 4: Close-up of deuterium (temperature proxy) and CO2 from the EPICA Dome C ice core over the warming from the last glacial period.(7)
It is often said that the temperature ‘leads’ the CO2 during the warming out of a glacial period. On the most recent records, there is a hint that the temperature started to rise slightly (at most a few tenths of a degree) before the CO2, as expected if changes in Earth’s orbit cause an initial small warming.'

You are right there is a link between temp and co2 but ...

lol here it says quite clearly co2 rise follows temperature rise. ie co2 does not cause temperature rise.

lol and all this proves is that we have had warming periods before industrialisation.

That is the exact opposite of all your terrorists modelling.

Cannot find Tyndall but I suspect he'll confirm this.

You have quite made my day.

I'm off to have a beer or two ... quite chuffed. Thank you for your revelations.
Posted by imajulianutter, Saturday, 12 April 2014 3:00:52 PM
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imajulianutter,
It's beer and CO2 that are intimately linked.
There is a link between temperature and everything.
Especially with cold beer on hot days.

However, how can sea level rise occur in one area and not everywhere, when CO2 is everywhere?
Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 12 April 2014 4:31:18 PM
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Dear ant,

I note this last month was the second lowest April figures for Arctic Sea Ice Volume since records began in 1974.

I wonder what next month will bring.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 12 April 2014 7:20:46 PM
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imajulianutter, the article I provided stated a few times that there is a co-relation between temperature and CO2.
"This is entirely consistent with the idea that temperature and CO2 are intimately linked, and each acts to amplify changes in the other (what we call a positive feedback)."

Also, the bit left out by imajulianutter "But for most of the 6,000-year long ‘transition’, Antarctic temperature and CO2 rose together, consistent with the role of CO2 as an important amplifier of climate change...."

The very official American site states
"One of the most remarkable aspects of the paleoclimate record is the strong correspondence between temperature and the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere observed during the glacial cycles of the past several hundred thousand years. When the carbon dioxide concentration goes up, temperature goes up."
From

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/temperature-change.html
Posted by ant, Saturday, 12 April 2014 7:53:00 PM
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