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The IPCC now says it’s OK to adapt to ‘climate change’ : Comments
By Don Aitkin, published 11/4/2014It seems to me that the IPCC may well be coming to the view that if it is to survive, it will have to have more than the mitigation arrow in its quiver.
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Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 10:07:09 AM
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Red Baron
Realistically your list of factors affecting global climate leaves a great deal to be desired. The sun is of course the primary source of heat for the earth, but its output has in fact been declining slightly since the 1960s as has sunspot numbers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Temp-sunspot-co2.svg/720px-Temp-sunspot-co2.svg.png The second most important feature of the earth's climate is the greenhouse effect, without its contribution to global warming the temperatures would be some 33 Degs C cooler and the planet would be frozen all the way to the equator. The most important greenhouse gases are water vapour and CO2, without the warming effect of CO2 the air temperature would be too cold to generate enough water vapour to further enhance temperatures, and keep the majority of the planet ice free. Orbital mechanics do indeed play a role in climate, but without feedbacks the global effect would be minimal. Again it is greenhouse gases, which allow the climate to escape the clutches of ices ages. As temperatures gradually increase due to orbital changes, this causes the area of ice to decline, the oceans to release more CO2 into the atmosphere, and water vapour levels to rise. The result is that temperatures going into an ice age take a long time to fall but rise quite abruptly when the ice age retreats. http://www.brighton73.freeserve.co.uk/gw/paleo/400000yearslarge.gif Cloud cover's major impact is that it reduces the flow of heat both into and out of the climate system, by either refeclting sun light or preventing infared radtion from escaping. In any event more water vapour leads to an enhanced greenhouse effect. Outside of cloud and ice cover, the other factors you mention are not important as they are either strictly local, or the time scale is so vast as to be totally irrelevant to what is happening to the Earth's climate, over the last couple of centuries. The facts are that humans are adding significant amounts of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, which if continued, will raise global temperatures to a point where it will cause major problems. Posted by warmair, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 12:24:36 PM
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http://www.google.com.au/search?q=east+anglia+loses+warming+data
DATa what data oh that refuted DATA..WELL WE LOST IT IM SICK OF THE DAMM LIES Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 2:30:57 PM
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Warmair, you say:
“The facts are that humans are adding significant amounts of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, which if continued, will raise global temperatures to a point where it will cause major problems.” This is not fact, but conjecture. The fact that CO2 is increasing does not mean that the increase is caused by human emissions. The pre-1995 warming that has taken place has released CO2 into the atmosphere. The increase in CO2 has not caused the increase in global temperature projected by the fraud-backers. Revise your definition of “fact”, warmair. Posted by Leo Lane, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 2:36:24 PM
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The problem with the current debate over alleged global warming is that it’s incredibility narrowly focused. Do those people who advocate humanity’s carbon emissions are driving `dangerous climate change’ serious?
I guess so, given the heat their anxiety generates. Do they really think the Earth is a closed system? And is not part of the solar system? It’s as if cosmic forces play no play no part in shaping Earth’s weather, or if they do, then its only a minor part. Yes siree we all know the major driver of climate change (or should that be global warming?) is naughty carbon dioxide. Any competent climate scientist knows there are many factors which influence climate including forces from within and without the Earth’s atmosphere. This nonsense that we have to zero in on one tiny component in the atmosphere and attribute to it some mythical - even god like quality – which says it is the principal driver, the principle shaper of weather on this planet, is completely and utter rubbish. If a person don’t know this then they have the hubris, the temerity to call themselves a climate scientist. I must confess I get frustrated with global warming theory advocates. Why do climate change alarmists think that one player makes a footy team? Does one star player make a footy team? Was Gary Ablett Jnr the reason for the success of the Geelong and GCS footy teams? No. Any successful footy team has not only many good players, but has also a good coaching staff and administration behind it. Blaming CO2 for causing `dangerous climate change’ is actually going further, it’s like saying that Ablett is a champion footballer - not because of his skills, his fitness, his coach, or diet - but the colour of his boots. Yes, it’s the colour of his playing boots which makes him a champion footballer! It would be a ludicrous assumption to make. Likewise blaming carbon dioxide for causing climate change is exactly the same. Warming, or cooling, the weather is not being controlled or primarily driven by CO2, natural or man-made, period. Posted by Red Baron, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 3:30:07 PM
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What an amusing analogy! It's all so obvious when you put it like that. Thanks RB.
Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 4:17:25 PM
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<<..Have a peak at the CV's of some the
Sceptical Science "team"-that will really blow your socks off!>>
YES SPECIAL AGENT QED.. its amassing..the perversion of the data
long winded and designed to confuse cause its written to support mugg bloggers such as you
lets look at the rubbish..link..look at the name
skeptical science..[how about that for clever positioning
they swupport global warming by men..then claim the sceptical/oppisite high ground
it its about warming facts..say warming fact site[but it says sceptical..[and thats what we are]..not you..but you keep putting the reverseengeneerrd lies about..im a sceptic..i see a clever trick
and what does ..'skeptical science"
say/TO CONFirm..warming warnings never go away?
<<Bärbel Winkler >>
http..skepticalsciences://www..com/team.php
[if this link doesn't work check under i)About ii)Team ]
Posted by SPQR, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 8:55:32 AM
hope your not posting all these corrections
to bill the warmists for more blogs?..still if we get our new tax
what do you gain..[your not A GREENIE]..YET YOU POST *skepticalscience*..BUT YET CLAIM FAITH IN THE SCIENCE
ADD IT TO THE FAR TOO MANY LIES
its the liars i dispise...every time ya look at things..like skepticalscience*..ya know some-one went in to cut off any opposing ground
try..gogling
skeptical science.[you read this 3 times/but please see why now*..you must read it again..ie do not google skeptical sciernce..to get to scepticalscience*..
..special agent provocateurd said/not sceptical silence google
qed.quote
<<>.[if this link doesn't work check under i)About ii)Team ]
normally i would trust a skeptical science site to be..well sceptical
unless skeptical = tactical