There has been one only Christian and he died on the cross, please One Under God, give me proof, actual proof, physical proof, not proof you have been led to believe out of a book where there is no proof, I want proof, proof, and proof and that OUG you cannot do. Don't give me bible readings, I want proof that it happened.
Father Christmyth appears to children once a year, at least there is evidence in their minds he is real, and that is proof to them he exits, there is no proof on the other.

Nietzsche was dead wrong. Jesus was not a Christian. He was born and died a Jew. Sing along with me to the tune of the old jazz standard.

Six feet 2, eyes of blue,
Jesus Christ, he was a Jew.
Has anybody seen my lord?

Big hooked nose
There he goes, preaching so that everyone knows
Has anybody seen my lord?

Speared in the abdomen by a Roman
Blood gushing out.
Rose from the dead.
So it is said.
People believe without a doubt.

Jesus died, still a Jew.
Still a Jew, so why aren’t you?
Has anybody seen my lord?

naboj/..<<<..There has been one only Christian and he died on the cross, please One Under God, give me proof, actual proof, physical proof, not proof you have been led to believe out of a book where there is no proof, I want proof, proof, and proof and that OUG you cannot do.>>

DEAR Oj mate long time a go/pe9ple asked for proof/it was bouND INTO WHAT IS COMMONLY CALLED THE GOSPIL/[so inn those particuLAR SACRED PAPERS ..That say they sqw what they saw..has BECOE MY LAW IN THE MATER

YOU MIGHT ASK WHERE LIES THE LINE OF THIS LAW
AND I WOULD SAY BETWEENB WHERE YOU ARE NOW AND WHERE YOU WILL BE when its made real for yPU

I GIVE PEOPLE THE BENIFIT OF THE DOUDT[why would you bother to lie?]

so i say HE REALLY BELIEVES IF HE DENIES THE WRITTEN WITNES..THATS ALL WE GOT?

MATE..I DONT NEED PROVE ANYTHINg to you
its in the book you deny

<<.. Don't give me bible readings, I want proof that it happened.>>

AND I WAnt proof it didnt//by occums razor/yOU ASKING ME TO PROVE MEANS YOU CAN DISPROVE./CHECKMATE[look oj tell your life story/

But dont tALK OF ANYTHING YOU DUN..[ITS SILLY/..DUMB>>

as for THE CHRIST MYTH..SOLD BY THE FAT SATAN CLAUSE/SANTA CLAWS]..RE NIK..the fat sweaty guy in right ROYAL RED/WEARING FAKE HAIR FAKE BEARD..YES YOUR KIDS CAN BELIEVE THE fatties cummin down the chimney but thats..CALLED aid AND COMFORT FOR IGNORANT SUCH AS THEE...WITH NO SPIRITUAL GIFTS there wAITING..under YOUR life's/living TREE.

YOU AT LEARN Earn the value of a gift and about gift GIVING
from THE DIVING WE JUST GET ON WITH LIVING.. GIVING Better than that we are given.

david raises an interesting point<<..Nietzsche was dead wrong. Jesus was not a Christian. He was born and died a Jew.>>

a jeW ISNT WHAT YOU ARE/BUT OF COURSE THATS NOT FOR ME TO SAY
BUT WASNBT jesu a galiain..or spme other name [as there was no j back in that day

BUT LETS TAKE IT FURTHER.IF HE WASNT KNOWN BY HIS PLACE OF BIRTH
he was the messiah..the living incarnate potentate..pfferD THIS AS HIS WORLD/BUT HE DIDNT TAKE THE OFFER SO ITS SATANS REALM

REGARDLESS THE GALLALEEAN..became emmanuel..or as the greeks say CHISTO/WITHIN//whats in a name davids city still remindS US OF the man not his names..durn i hate names ..i know em by their works..BUT

IF 'J' WASNT Existent
then no jESUS..neither the jew..Maybe thats greek..to mE TOO

IT IS ENOUGH HE LIVED/AS A BODY OF WORK
HE IS THE EMBODIMENT..OF THE PERSONALS LIVING LOVING GRACE MERCY of our most HOLY SPIRIT.

but never the less as we all know
today he is jew..

[but jew mEANS FIRST...
IE JEW MEANS..[AB*ORIGINAL/TOO]
WE Are all ab/original from some where..[thus a name]
or someone[thus the other name]
but abouve all call. not but the most hoLY FATHER [SUN]

Re George's post 14 April 2014 7:46:15 PM [p.24].

I had already written a reply but it disappeared into Limbo, a result of unfamiliarity with compulsory review. It should have appeared and be read between George's reply to me and my brief congratulatory message to davidf.

If Stark wants to write as an historian then he'll be treated as one.

I concede you have a point, but its importance depends on the students, their teachers and other historians being able to easily differentiate between what precisely was Eastern science and technology and what was Western. In the millennia that have passed since ancient trade routes by sea and land were established ideas and discoveries have flowed in both directions, to the degree that no meaningful differentiation is possible. Add to this the phenomenon of independent coincidental discovery.

Historical forces and actions have seen in the past millennium or so a remarkable advance in Western science and technology with which the Eastern features compare unfavourably. Yet when we go back 4 millennia Western sciences and technology compare unfavourably with their Eastern counterparts. Stark's superficiality caters to, shall we say, the short-sighted view. Very rarely indeed has history profited from being arranged on an apparatus of pigeon holes painted either black or white

Extropian1,

From what I, a non-histoprian and non-socilogist understand of him, I think he would agree with most of what you wrote.

>>Historical forces and actions have seen in the past millennium or so a remarkable advance in Western science and technology with which the Eastern features compare unfavourably. Yet when we go back 4 millennia ...<<

This is exactly the difference - Stark wrote with hindsight about what you describe in the first sentence, not about the situation 4 millennia ago.

Happy Easter/Passover.