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Moral values and religious doctrines : Comments

By Max Atkinson, published 28/3/2014

How does this debate and the ordinary, everyday values it draws on, relate to arguments which appeal to religious authority?

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Dear One Under God,

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Thank you for those literary references to “silly mathematics” (to employ George’s term) and the article on George Orwell’s “doubler think” phenomenon.

As George advises that my algorithm corresponds to no known family of mathematics and taking into account the various comments on this forum - George, david f., JKUU and your good self - it seems the algorithm is more of the order of “the symbolic” (to borrow the expression of Jacques Lacan as suggested by Claude Lévi-Strauss) than of the real or of the imaginary.

Moreover :

- The Christian Trinitarian doctrine is indelibly and irretrievably permeated by the fourth century machismo of the 150 elderly (all male) bishops assembled in conclave at the second Ecumenical Council convened in Constantinople in the year 381 by the Roman Emperor Theodosius.

- The procreation of Jesus by traditional surrogacy (and not by gestational surrogacy which I incorrectly indicated in my previous post), is no justification for ignoring the maternity of Mary whose egg was inseminated by the Holy Ghost. Mary was the genetic mother of Jesus.

- Jesus was as much Mary’s offspring as he was the offspring of God. He was conceived by them both – not by God alone. Mary developed him in her uterus, gave birth to him, raised, nurtured, protected and educated him. He had no other mother. The role of the mother was preponderant in his upbringing. He even had a foster father: Mary’s husband, Joseph.

That being the case, the present Trinitarian doctrine is clearly a gross injustice which the Church continues to condone and perpetrate as it has for nearly two thousand years. It would be well advised to recognize its error and take the advice of Jesus in such circumstances :

“Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's”. (Luke 20:25 King James Version).

The current Trinitarian doctrine should be replaced by a Quaternitarian doctrine (God the father, God the mother, God the son and God the Holy ghost).

My algorithm then becomes:

1+1+1+1 = 1

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Thursday, 3 April 2014 12:39:26 AM
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I SUPPOSE IT COMES UNDER /RELIGIOUS VALUES
but the 3 gods in one..is a rev*elation..it would be interesting to know where it comes from...but im in a good place with..the son needing a father..and god needing the holy spirit..just as much as the daughter needing a ,other..needing a god needing the holy spirit.

but the thing is sons and daughters are-not equal
god..in his wisdom..[for god the father*..is male]*
just as the matriarchal aspect[creating aspect..of god] is in the one with the womb...[TO TRY TO RATIONALIZE..IT OUT.]

SE THAT AN EGG/HAS THE POTENTIAL..OF LIFE..but it needs the life giver aspect[the wind if you like/the breath..breathed into the egg to live]..and that comes via the clearly living sperm..[an aside is tha 'natural'/fertilization..takes 13 sperm..[the egg membrane..isnt under pressure/or else the sperm/WOULD BE EXPLODED OUTWARDS..UPON ENTRY

SO THE 12 NEED TIGHTEN..THE MEMBRANE..ENOUGH.THAT THE 13 TH SPERM GAIN ENTRY..[ANYHOW..THE POINT BEING THE TRINITY..explains only the life from living..aspect..of life.

a new life isnt created..at 'fertilization'..but was in our living testes all along..ok to woe-man..god gave the gift of creating..jUST LIKE GOD..but to the man/he gave the gift of life..[just as the holy spirit animates god..his living [think of life as the catalyst of energy changing state]

you/said..<<..The current Trinitarian doctrine should be replaced by a Quaternitarian doctrine (God the father, God the mother, God the son and God the Holy ghost).

My algorithm then becomes:

1+1+1+1 = 1>>

we are told..[god=1]..that means one singular..'god'....[all good is derived from/of the holy life spirit..]..thus..that life/living in the egg..is made one..in the son.

thats an aspect of three/clear to anyone

2b/ctd
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 3 April 2014 7:26:05 AM
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in the beginning was the living one[wholly spirit]..
who entered the egg[ego]..of god..who gave his gift of life-giver..to god..WHO GAVE..THE GIFT OF CREATION..TO EVE..AND THE GIFT OF LIFE UNTO ADAM

[now life by itself..[CHI]..[holy-spirit]..1 alone..is of little use...Sans it being in the right place[god]..at the right time..[this live ever now/live\living moment]

thus enter the CO-creator...Sub-stainer of livinG..BUT THAT STORY CAN ONLY BE HINTED AT
AS THE PATRIRCHAL STORY = THE TRINITY

BUT ASSUMNING THE SAME 3 STEPS..we get..6 =1
but thats not a math problem/thus cant have any masth solution
thats simply a mater of faith creed..the result of living..but its not a sum..just an attempt at summation/rationalization..FOR NOW IRRELEVANT..TO ANY who/BUT THEO-RISERS..[TALKING]..ABOUT THEORY ..[THAT without the rather intriguing triune concept..couldn't be had]

THERE IS MUCH THOUGHT..to be had
much to be made clear..in its time
lucky we have eternity to solve this imposable thinking point made a creed..even now placing the rod firmly..on its back..

just to highlight..that true holy..
the wholly [good/living/logical/loving-wholly holy-spirit..reveal-elation]

[THE WAY../and\..THE MEANS..and the fruit=1]
or cause/purepose..[causation/reason]...en-act..re-act..[re-tract]
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 3 April 2014 7:27:06 AM
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THERE..IS A LOT..OF DIRT..IN OUR PAST
it must be faced..sooner rather.than later

but..THE MORE I PUSH THE WATERS AWAY..TO TRY TO MAKE THINGS MORE CLEAR
THE MUDDIER THA WATER GETS..[THERE IS A TEACHING..IN THE GOSPEL/MADE BY WITNESS]..but in the beginning..it was just the holy spirit..[life=force..energy..called chi..or el..or jeah*hova..]doing things only he would know.

earlier..i threw out that god is male[my guides reacted so strongly]..i now need clarify..and risk stirring up even more mud

YESTERDAY..on alex jones.[near end]
http://rss.infowars.com/20140401_Tue_Alex.mp3
there was a guy/talking about how the elites..of any time..speak freely..before servants..and that is a key pointer..at how things work.

the bible hints at it/strongly..[who will lead you shall serve you]
thus a servant..'knows'..jesus never made no wine[as servants..even they know..the water..in the jars..is worse that toilet water..[and no servant would[dare]..serve toilet water[or even the finest wine]..out of a toilet.

BUT THE MASTERS HAVE NO SUCH KNOWING..they care nothing for no=one
[as we see arround us this day]..anyhow..typing is a great pain[type on]..long story short

anyhow holy spirit..is father[life giver][father/mother lover/every other]

he created his love toyboy..[god]..WHO AS CREATOR CANT HAVE BEEN MALE
ANYHOW HOLY SPIRIT.IS A BUST MAN..GIVING AWAY HIS LIVING SEED HERE THERE AND EVERYWHERE..[anyhow he mated with god..and brought forth adam..adam having a lot of his father in him/wanted.needed what the beasts hAVE[A MATE]..HE REJECTED THE MOTHERLY GOD..TO WANT WHAT THE BEASTS GOT..A MATE

SO GOD..ISNT 'THE LIFE GIVER'..[holy-spi*it]..PASSING..ON LIFE GERM
SO ANA..[@LPHA/NEGATIVE\@LPHA]..[YOU CAN CALL BE ANYTIME][GOD 4 SHORT]
NEEDED TO CHEAT..TO MAKE CHEETA..[chimera/chimp/sexist pig-man]...new age adam....INTO A MAN/

he was of course a half breed made for gods amusement..with the logic of mind to be companion to the holy-spirits pay-mate..'god'.. anyhow..she [god]..simply took ADAMS RIBS DNA..DOUBLED UP ON THE 'x''..AMD THREW AWAY..THE 'Y'..SEE HAMMY CHRISTIAN THREAD]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16038&page=0

ANYHOW ALES TODAY..IS TALKING OF THE BIG LIES
http://rss.infowars.com/20140402_Wed_Alex.mp3
THE BIGGER THE LIE..THE MORE THEY CAN ABUSE US..WITH/IT
THUS MY WAR AGAINST APES EVOLVING INT0 ADAM..and god really being one with thE HOLY SPIRIT/AND US.
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 3 April 2014 8:14:15 AM
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Dear One Under God,

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Many thanks for your kaleidoscopic commentary which I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate.

Your natural talent to jumble up such a broad and interesting selection of ideas, knowledge and information and tumble them out in what appears to be random disorder is inimitable.

Reading your texts is a voyage in supergalactic space-time deep inside your brain where the familiar seems strange. I feel like a Lilliputian sitting on a neurotransmitter, gliding through a maze of synapses, creating new junctions and associations among your nerve cells, discovering a brave new world.

Thinking differently? New interactions ? Creative networking ? A trans-disciplinary approach ? Brilliant insights into the semi-transient virtual world ? I guess it’s all that and more.

But while that’s intellectually stimulating I can imagine it also has its drawbacks if, as I suspect, it is not a faculty you can switch on and off at will.

Unfortunately, natural talent does not appear to obey the conscious mind.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 4 April 2014 12:44:34 AM
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thanks bp..LUCKY ITS NOT A THING I CAN CONTROL
its just noting the things bopught to my attention and my interacting with the flow that comes from that..[its the result of my life experienced as the always new guy..and thus never 'relaxed' enough to accept..anything as being what its presented as being.

like the miracle thing..if it was to make a larger than life myth
then i can accept miracles..but jesus himself said..his deciples expect miracles thus they see..exactly what they wish to see.[but the real life teaching is behind the words.

but my LIFE..taught me words are fine..but its what people do rather than say..[as i read your words i kept waiting for the other shoe to drop..but the one legged man..dropped only the one shoe..SO I LET THE VOICE say what it needs say..and my finger begins typing away.

i dont know I BEEN SWITCHING 'IT' on so long..the switch simply rubbed away..[anyhow the switch..when switched..gives me all or nothing]..so naturally i prefer avoiding the nuthin switch.

my lack of comprehensibility..also stems from being allways the newguy
asa the outsider one needs be carefull of what one says..and how the phrase could be turned against oneself..[BUT LARGELY/COMFORT MY SELF..that I DONT CARE..about how what i say..or how..it is taken..OR WHAT PEOPLE THINK..ONLY THAT I SAID IT..AND THAT MAKES THE NAGGING VOICE GO AWAY.

damm page has GONE TO PRE-VIEUW TWICE NOW
I TAKE THAT AS A HINT IM SAYING TOO MUCH..but will ignore that as a comment.

they [who is they]
they say..that..clones..could make a new me..but it might look remotely..like me..but by its sheltered living could never evolve the RE-wiring MY BRAIN UNDERWENT..JUST BY THE BEING MY LIFE EXPERIENCES BRUNG TO ME

THAT SAYING..walk a mile in my shoes
dont replace a lifetime of walking without shoes
the times do make the man..and those times are gone..my problem/thus remains...how to make sense of these times...just by being the me my life set me up to be...so i take it as it comes/thinking what teaching will i be forced to learn..next.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 4 April 2014 8:11:39 AM
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