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Stop the boats? Thinking about refugee policy and human rights : Comments

By Jack Maxwell, published 24/3/2014

It’s difficult to believe, but 60 per cent of Australians want the government to increase the severity of the treatment of asylum seekers.

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@Pericles

<<You seem to be referring to the criminal classes who take pecuniary advantage of refugees before they actually arrive here>>

Just a couple of points:
1) They are NOT "refugees" until their claims are tested (a better term would be asylum scammers).

2)It is not clear who is taking advantage of whom $10,000 for transportation to Oz and a life time of freebies (for you and your relos)is hardly a bad deal.
Posted by SPQR, Monday, 24 March 2014 6:29:01 PM
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@Sparkyq you've fallen into the trap I'm afraid:

"30 + 18 = 48. I would not call 48% a "vast majority" or any sort of majority."

What I was trying to convey was that the largest proportion are from a Caucasian background, conveniently. But what you've done is demonstrate your "White vs. non-white" mentality, as if the other group makes up a homogenous morass of "invading darkies". What I don't get with racists like you is why you just can't admit who you are? Why not come out and be comfortable with your xenophobia? The self-loathing must be torture and I (sort of...not really) feel sorry for you.

@SPQR thanks for the chuckle.

"If anyone is a clone its poster like you! All of the above have been raised about 10,000 times (by earlier verisons on you) -- and thoroughly and debunked."

What's missing from your retort (apart from any kind of grasp on the English language) is an actual reply to my "clichés". I think it's missing because parts of your brain are missing, but also because you can't provide a valid response; in fact, I have never received one. Would you like another go?

"Could it be that with the LNP new border controls being effective you feel you ticket on the Immigration Dept gravy train might be up for review?"

Not at all my grammatically challenged friend: it was a one-off project and was always going to be. And also, compared to the $200 million a month we're spending on Sovereign Borders and offshore detention (as opposed to the $20 million we'd be spending on community processing), the project was a very small drop in the ocean (no pun intended).
Posted by speegster, Monday, 24 March 2014 9:22:38 PM
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Jack. I hope you will consider seriously the objections to your well-meant but misguided plea. Don't dismiss all as racist; there is solid argument you should take on board. I can only regret that your philosophy degree at Melbourne Uni no longer includes basic logic , otherwise you would have recognised the fallacy of "petitio principii" in "asylum seeker".
James O'Neill. On this one you are wrong. Think political economy, not muddled moralism.
Posted by Leslie, Monday, 24 March 2014 9:53:49 PM
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So Jack - get it right! About 60% of us, probably more IMO, object to people invading our borders illegally. Not genuine certified refugees who have waited years in some cases to be resettled under our humanitarian programs .... Thank-you and good-night!
Posted by divine_msn, Monday, 24 March 2014 11:13:38 PM
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What a load of crapola.

I find it "difficult to believe" that Jack Maxwell thinks that these people are really refugees at all, when they are usually either illegal immigrants, or people "fleeing" the consequences of the cultures that they support and wish to continue living with, while residing in Australia and being subsidised by the Australian taxpayer.

Then he groans on about "human Rights". Hey Jack, Australians have a "human right" to decide the ethnic makeup of their own country, and to decide who crosses our borders.

Get it through your overly thick cranium, that it is a cultural universal that people wish to live with people that they are culturally and racially akin to. People that they feel socially related to, feel safe with, and who share their values, attitudes and behaviours. It is bad enough that we have stupid governments in Australia that have decided to promote an immigratio0n policy destined to swamp the very west European culture that made Australia a wonderful place in the first place. But when people from cultures with opposing values to ours decide to invite themselves into our country whether we like it or not, then what is left of the Australian people demand that their government act to stop it.

Did you hear about the Muslim man in London who rang the "genital mutilation hotline" because he thought it was a helpful infidel government service which would tell him where he could get his two daughters circumcised? THAT is the level of cultural disconnect that exists between us and them.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 3:33:33 AM
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Shouldn't those who cause the refugee problem be thinking about refugee policy and human rights instead of us ?
Isn't it about time the do-gooders focussed on them instead of us ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 6:36:41 AM
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