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By Ian Nance, published 27/2/2014Nature provides an antidote to the violence of human life.
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Posted by one under god, Sunday, 23 March 2014 8:13:46 AM
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Dear OUG,
"And God created Light, that some might see, for themselves. But, for others He created a Blind Spot, so that they might forever be confused, and for these He created a Book of nice stories, beautifully and poetically composed and translated into many Languages (which He also created), so as to give them comfort in their confusion." But the Good Book proved to be too complicated for many - due in large part to errors in translation and to poetic license exercised by many of the chosen scribes (or because they misheard or misunderstood His Message, or just didn't Believe hard enough) - which resulted in many Tribes with many interpretations of the Word; and so, confusion reigned, and was and is destined to reign, for some, through the millennia and unto the very ending of Time (which God also created, and which could end at any moment, at His Absolute discretion). Now, I'm not putting-down the Good Book, just the misuse and abuse to which it has been put, and unfortunately continues to be put to this present day. To topic: Nature is fantastic. Enjoy it, revel in it, and let those who wish to explain it and wish to unravel the mystery of its 'creation' or its 'evolution' do so in peace. The future preservation of nature rests with the endeavours of such inquiry, so these truth-seekers deserve our full support and encouragement. Without them, the Future-Eaters may simply reap and pillage unhindered until nature is left in such disarray as to be unrecognizable and in dire peril of complete collapse. The destruction is well underway, and the more we quibble the more we enable the unfettered degradation of the only things which really give life meaning, the Natural World which we inhabit, and the mysteries which it has yet to reveal. The future is in our hands. AJ Philips, Fantastic! (And, loved the video.) Posted by Saltpetre, Sunday, 23 March 2014 12:59:27 PM
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YOU..ARE CORRECT/OF COURSE SALTY
nature needs only study..not less..and the future focus will be on restoring the lost civilisations..rebuilding restoring preserving..entertaining each other/paying all the local taxes when we are living localy..reliving the truth of our ancestors through rose coloured glasses but first we need know the truth..of how things went wrong/why so much percfection looks so 'good'..[yet acts according to its environment as much as nature i meant..earlier..to post a search link anyhow that led to this http://www.evolutionevidence.org/evidence/progressions/ SOMEHOW IT JUST HAS A LOT OF EVOLUTION IMAGRY/THAT INCLUDES SO MANY DRAWINGS/NOT PHOTOS..IT SHOWS AN EXAMPLE [FOR EXAMPLE]..OF THE EVOLUTION/OF SEAgull.. http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/zimmergulls2.gif and evolution of dog http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Genealogy-of-the-dog-low-res-1024x467.jpg with proof/wolf/wildtype http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/evolutiontimeline.jpg ie true evolution..[near the end] it has for example the philangies evolution/link AND HAVINg just seen them all..i now back track..to post lins/here as i make my points/refute if you will.. SOME/SALAMANDER/EVOLVING SALAMANDERS http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ranges_map.jpg teosonite/evolving into corn http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/corn_looks_very__c.jpg evolution..of stickle back http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/081010100457-large.jpg is this a law..or the law http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Progressions-copy2.jpg ok..there is the whale evolution from a hippo...http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/whale_evo.jpg here is one with their skelitons http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/evolution-of-whale-590x1024.jpg here/is the whale from a coyote..by skull.. http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/nostrilevol1.jpg here are some ankle bones/pronghorn/whale http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/artiodactyl-ankle-bone-in-whale.png GOTTA LOVE THE TITLE OF THIS ONE http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/i-b73f4a0119695665fc8924a810f69df5-baleen-tree-small.jpg http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2006/08/15/the-origin-of-the-ridiculous/ here pictures of reduction..of hindlimbs http://www.evolutionevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/4-1024x731.jpg THE THING IS I HAD SO MUCH OF THIS CCCC RAP FOR TOO LONG JUST NAME NAMES /OR EVEN 'PICTURES''..OF WHAT YOU RECKON EVOLVED WHAT/BY LITTLE STEPS http://www.evolutionevidence.org/evidence/progressions/ IT WOULD BE SO MUCH MORE EASY ACCEPTING THE GODLESS LIE BUT THat..hasnt even been begun to be understood/thus CLAIMING Science is like pre-ejaculation..if your happy with that good on you im not i just want the truth im not responsible for what demonseed our ape grandpappy did sew in a sow...but thank god he did so..[i couldnt have dun it..what sort of wolf goes and rapes a walruss anyhow?..are you wolf or hippo?..OR TITMOUSE...WHATS TO FEAR FROM THE TRUTH..NO BABY HAS THE GUILT OF EITHER PARENT[ARNT..ALL BABIES SOO CUTE]..ewven the deformed barst ards/harvard-hybreds..[we aint no pure bred ape..butt high breed with the pig/thats why we love our muck..good luck] Posted by one under god, Sunday, 23 March 2014 2:07:26 PM
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Dear OUG,
Evolution is really quite simple. We start with a simple single-celled organism - a bacterium or amoeba for example. Single cells reproduce or propagate by simple cell-division, mitosis, in which the cell nucleus, containing simple DNA or RNA, divides into two identical nuclei, and then the whole cell divides into two identical 'daughter' cells, each containing one of the identical nuclei. Complexity began initially with proliferation of a multitude of different single-celled organisms, many of which remain relatively unchanged to this day. Now, some (or perhaps only one) of these different early forms would have arisen initially by chance, from a collision or aggregation of organic molecules which 'fit'; or by 'design' if you are so inclined. Thence, trying the 'fit' of various organic and inorganic molecules would have led, over time, to improvements which enhanced the survival and propagation of this, or these, cells. Note, these cells have to 'eat' to survive (and to propagate), and they do so by absorbing nutrients (minerals/ions, organic molecules, amino-acids, lipids, protein) found in their 'environment'; or by absorbing CO2, minerals/ions and sunlight, in the case of single-celled plants. Since there are such commonalities in structure and composition (ectoplasm, nucleus, DNA, RNA, mitochondria) shared by the multiple varieties of single-celled organisms found in the environment, it is most likely that many, or most, of the persistent early varieties arose initially by simple DNA/RNA 'mutation' of the few, or the one original, 'chance' organism(s). TBC> Posted by Saltpetre, Monday, 24 March 2014 3:17:55 AM
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Continued:
All life, however complex, is composed of single cells, though many of these cells have taken specialized forms in the more complex multi-celled organisms, such as ourselves, and these cells replicate themselves (as in 'renewal') by cell division, mitosis, just as their early forerunners did, and in doing so can be subject to an occasional mistake, or 'mutation', just as their early forerunners were. Cell division errors, mutations, can be potentially beneficial - perhaps producing a more effective blood, brain, or kidney cell; and some deleterious - such as cancerous cells or 'faulty' blood, brain or kidney cells. We, as with all life, are subject to 'aging'. The most dramatic cell mutations occur during sexual reproduction, cell meiosis, in which haploid cells are produced (containing only half of the DNA contained in a normal cell), as in a sperm or an ovum, and which must then be 'mated' with its corresponding other 'half' to produce a living viable 'whole' embryonic cell. It is the marvel of sexual reproduction which is responsible not only for the multitudinous 'variety' arising in the higher, complex life-forms such as ourselves and other mammals and chordates, and for the variety seen in many flowering plants, but, most importantly, for those occasional mutations which have, over time, given rise to divergent evolutionary paths which have produced so many new and different species. PS. Whales and Hippos may have had a common ancestor, but 'evolved' separately - as your linked chart did in fact display. Posted by Saltpetre, Monday, 24 March 2014 3:18:01 AM
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dear salty/thank-you for that..11 TH GRADE...Version of evolution
if you did that..from your own memory..congratulations..FOR KNOWING THE SPIN...MIXED WITH THE SCIENCE..?[direct from a TEXTBOOK/unattributed] but the question.was name names/in plain speak NOT JUST..A RE-STATEMENt..of creed..taught by rote/BY ONE WHO HASNT BRED A THING/and never even studied the amoeba/which is much MORE THAN A proto life... gods evolution..is reflected in nature [god was first..a single cell..amoeba..] people forget HOW amazing..even..an..ameoba is the issue of amoeba an omnipresent little beast....unchanged from the beginning] - in researching our ameba..i found only more about how imposable macro-evolution is http://www.present-truth.org/3-Nature/Creation/creation-not-evolution-4.htm <<..The common amoeba..is found..in fresh/water ponds>> salty.water..not till later.. [needs biological-salts..from-life][launa/flora] thus first life..[flora]..must?have..been in...alkaline/freshwater? <<ameba..ranges in size..from an invisible microscopic animal.to one that reaches..a diameter of about half..a millimeter,..visible to the naked eye..as a tiny..white/speck. Each ameba..is a little mass of gelatinous protoplasm,..containing many granules..and droplets...The protoplasm..is covered with a delicate*..cell membrane. In many ways..this strange little creature..bears witness to its Creator. (1)The Ameba..is gifted...with many Strange Abilities..for a Microscopic/Animal... It..can crawl; it can breathe..(though..it has no lungs..or gills); it.can distinguish..inert particles..from the minute plants.and animals..on which it feeds;>>.. ok..first came plants..got it..[fixtures] then..movement/fauna..[fungibles] ..<<..it can thrust out.. its jelly-like body..*at any point to lay hold..of its food; it can digest..and absorb..its food; though..it has no feet, it crawls..by projecting.."pseudopods." Such a..strange little creature..could not.."just happen. "One cannot fail..to see..in these abilities..the Hand of the Creator. The Ameba..moves around.by means of "Ameboid movement,"..projecting a "pseudopod"(..false foot).from any part..of its body...Because of this..it changes shape..when it moves..or engulfs food, hence.its name.."ameba" (derived from..a Greek word..meaning..."change"). The "legs"..of an ameba..are temporary,..and soon flow..back into its body,..when it stops moving..or completes the ingestion..of food particles. This is totally different..from the muscular movements..of higher animals...Who designed it? Moreover,.if the amoeba is about to "swallow"..an active organism, the pseudopods..are thrown out widely..and do not touch*.or irritate the pre..* before it has been surrounded; but..when the ameba..is about to ingest..a quiescent object,such as a single algal cell,..the pseudopods surround the cell..very closely. Apparently the amoeba..can "think" even though..it has no brain so logus/logic..came before..even..the first fauna/cell? 2B CTD Posted by one under god, Monday, 24 March 2014 7:15:46 AM
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please put up how 'it really ha[p[end'..according to your theory
what specific cow like wolf like mannel/became a whale...[for what reason]
lets begin with what mammal became which whale
oe present the science..[it cant be that hard..if its true]
tell it with pictures if you like...if you cant..back up the theory[as clearly SALTY CANT NEITHER/NOR PERICULES..but hey lets give it a try
so fish became a wolf like cow mammal
that became which whale specifically[ignoring the obvious/size Differences]
HERE LET ME HELP YOU GET STARTED
PLEASE PICK AND CHOSE WHICH YOU PRESENT AS YOUR PROOF
[I WILL NED FOSSILS AND NAMES..like i did last time..a few bone fragments aint going to fix it this time..[its easy to take these things on 'faith'..and thats sadly all you lot have got
but please mate/your one of the more intelligent here
[i had so much expectation for salty/but clearly he has had a look at the 'proof' and decided like me its childish fantasy..thus taught to us as kids/but unlike santa claws or the ester rabbit...you guys believe itto the grave.
TO BEGIN WITH ..PICK A CHART ANY CHART
LOOK AT HOW THIS TURNED INTO THAT..in micro STEPS..That somehow didnt make the cut..[into the fossil record]..think..please..of the steps to ,Make the first INTO THE SECOND..[ALL THE Discarded/lost/omitted/VESTIGIAL/LOL...[so all these 'critters have mammal sex/..YOU CAN INFORM..penus/vagina compatibility/dna?..WHAT SHRUNK THE LIMBS..BUT GIGANTIC-AZISED EVERYTHING ELSE.
i look forward to sorting it out once and for all..[for once]
please note the scale..[size of these critters]..how come the 'advantages'..didnt help survuiVAL..IS THE WHALE [WHICH WHALE]..RELATED TO SEALS OTTERS OR JUST COWS AND WOLVES?