To One Under God -
I suspect that you may have reasoned comments to make, but what a pity that you are totally inept at visual presentation of your layout and syntax.
Your distracting mix of caps and lower case, plus your inability to express your thoughts fully and clearly, with logical development of argument, makes for a post that is better scrolled through unread.
Think before you write, then try to do it with clarity and consistency.

Oh the opium of the deniers that one day no one faces judgement.And to think the best they can come up with is fantasy in the name of science. The prophet Jeremiah was spot on when describing the wickedness of man's heart and self deception.

Pericles,

I though we have just agreed to disagree but here we go again.

>> you manage to portray religion, as if it were something impenetrably complex and subtly layered<<

Not only religion. For instance, most of us know that unsupported objects fall to the ground and that it is simply due to gravitation, nevertheless Einstein and others after him “portray gravitation (and the physical world it is an essential feature of), as if it were something impenetrably complex and subtly layered”.

Of course, I, agree that biblical exegesis and mathematical physics are about different things and start from different premises. And in both cases it matters whether you have enough “inside knowledge” (Polanyi’s indwelling) to understand the language in which they are written. I also agree that neither mathematics nor cosmology require a belief in God.

>> By placing these in juxtaposition, you are presenting "religion, exegesis and contemporary theology" as somehow equally accessible spheres of learning as "mathematical physics [and] contemporary cosmological theories”.<<

Well, I did not organise the Krauss-Craig TV show where these two spheres of learning were “juxtaposed” through the choice of the protagonists who were willing to take part in this debate, and apparently took it seriously.

>> is that William Lane Craig is a philosopher. Which of course, he is not.

Wikipedia: “William Lane Craig … is an American Christian apologist and analytic philosopher.

>> None of which qualifies you to sneer, <<

This “sneer” was a reaction to a sarcastic reaction (“as a self-appointed authority on Divine intentions”) to my comment (provided with a smiley to indicate that it was not to be taken verbatim). So sneer or sarcasm whichever you prefer.

By the way, there are many things I have only a naive understanding of. Howver, I do not object if somebody points it out to me. Especially if it is a concept that thousands of scholarly books and articles have been written about, because it cannot be explained in a few words why it is so “impenetrably complex and subtly layered”.

pre-ponderances by pondy..<<..comments to make, but what a pity that you are totally inept at visual presentation of your layout and syntax.>>

yes i have heard..this form of proof many times
its largely..because..its inevitable..that people follow leaders
[and i have no wish..to lead][IM FINE..with god/gods fine with me/my guides come from both the realm extremities..and im only..passing on what they would PASS-ON..to any of you/were not your more clever minds so sure certain/made-up.

ANYTHING..i write..has been written/said..many times before
i often quote..or re edit..their words..to clarify a condensed point.[if the REJECTED/Despised..comforter/for which mankind awaits..NEEDS LANGUAGE SKILLS..thats clearly..not me.

[BUT..AS Some/of THE messengers of 'god'..HAVE said...
THE FOOL OFTEN CONFOUNDS THOSE WISE..[IN THEIR OWN EYES]

colour me the comforting fool..ever willing to point out..the words/wisdoms..of the true messengers of men-kind..rather than being fool enough..to try to change..their minds...[I SIMPLY..hope to GIVE courage..to the true wise/to expand..upon..THE BLEEDING OBVIOUS]

science..isnt doing it
you cant explain..how your doing..IT*[NOW WHAT...LET THE DEMONS LOrd it over the ignorant/atheist..having faith..in a delusion hidING AS A FACT..IM..merely trying to wake them up/within the bounds of freewill being sacred.

let them who will be deceived..be deceived
but by their own will..[even if by willful..but chosen ignorance.]

but here i am/yet again..talking of the least important/ME
WHILE..the more clever than I..TAKE A COMPLICATED TOPIC..[THE evolution-THEORY]..ON TRUST..as they too busy..to bother learning a TOPIC..only to have to refute it'S..inbuilt anti-god bias.

2b../ctd\

<<..Your distracting mix of caps and lower case,>.
IS NOT SOME DEVICE..its mechanical error/by the machine/im communicating by/im incapable..of taking control..over the thing's PROBLEM..so I..Correct it/or not..thinking..its just another level/for freewill/TO..respect..others FREE-CHOICE.

<<..plus/your inability..to express/your_thoughts..fully..and clearly,..with logical development..>>

THIS Reflects..my un-surety..to..even get involved
HALF MY MIND..SAYS/LET THEM..Who would be deceived..be decieved.

the other/SIDE says..your/not trying..to deceive/
then another/guide..jumps in with..but there are..[meaning in the precise CHANGES/..AS THEY OCCUR/..EVEN IN YOUR MISSPELLINGS..LIE FURTHER REVEAL/under..the con-seal.

SO..IN THE END..I SAY..it like/it comes out[rough]
if my guides..don't like that..[tough]..let them go..find some other thick thumbed..typist.

and as for..the readers/if any..[its just/one crazy/HERMIT..sitting in a cave]..THE world has had too many..of us../and we have had enough..of the world/..and yet..here i am..sitting at 4 am..in the morning/making efforts..to CLARIFY..inner/voicings..[NOTHING MUCH REALLY]..to other hermits/..who's guides..TOO..prompted them..to reply..materially..to the urgings/spiritually..to things like your words.[simple stimuli/..like pavloves dogs]

<<..makes for a post..that is better scrolled.through unread.
Think before you write,..then try to do it..with clarity and consistency.>>

yet..its STUFF..LIKE THAT..
you want clarity/..i just want..the guides..to go bug/some other medium/average/avuncular.

sadly..neither of us..gets all..we wish for
SCROLL OR NOT..IM NOT PAID..TO do this...its..JUST..my way..to give back..to those..UNSEEN/who gave..MANY..including/ME..SO MUCH..

and..THUS..DO/I..give back..to god who..I NOW..gave me all/EVERYTHING
INCLUDING ..MY GUIDED/guarded MIND[..whether others clarify/or ignore..so what?

I CAN..only..give..what g0d..[within-us/all..SAW..fit..to see begot.

clarity..hasnt worked..
so..you got me..its THE charity.

SEE..HOW JESUS..ISNT COMMING BACK..[he was offered..these realms/by satan..and rejected them]..HE TALKS/OF A COMFORTER..THAT 'Comforter'..includes *us all..[ie..ALL/LIVING/love of other..LIVING..2.]

we are not..our brothers keeper
nor his judge..nor his jury..[realize..what he said..
ye shall do greater than i]..ie we..with MANY MINDS..and many hands..can chose to live EMBODIED-LOVE..as he lives/loves as he loves..US/ALL..so much

thus/so..we each..can say..AS HE..SAID
to see..good=to see god..TO..[see me/see my good works..iS as if seeing our father]..and his works..=..IS all of you...HE WISHES SIMPLY WE..TRY..to..LOVE HIS creation

all..of it/..even his creations/creations..[like he loves it/us]..[by not judging..even the worst..of it]...

[that judging thing..that's done
by them..that donT GET..god=all]..

GOD=ALL good../all grace../all mercy-full*.
SEE wE..see thy father...WOT/CALLS..HIMSELF/..ME*..IN THEE.`

Fair enough, George.

>>...Einstein and others after him “portray gravitation (and the physical world it is an essential feature of), as if it were something impenetrably complex and subtly layered”<<

But my point was that in the case of the various religions, unlike gravity, their complexity is entirely manufactured by their acolytes and adherents.

As it always has been.

The Incas, for example, wove a detailed and multilayered mythology around their pantheistic religion, predominantly to provide top cover for the subjugation of their people - and those they conquered - under a single political force. This is, I'm sure you will accept, a fairly common feature of any religion or religious sub-division. The Catholics and Protestants of Northern Ireland being just one contemporary example.

>>Wikipedia: “William Lane Craig … is an American Christian apologist and analytic philosopher.<<

I'm not sure you should be trumpeting his philosophy, though. This is his observation on the murder of Canaanite children.

"Moreover, if we believe, as I do, that God’s grace is extended to those who die in infancy or as small children, the death of these children was actually their salvation. We are so wedded to an earthly, naturalistic perspective that we forget that those who die are happy to quit this earth for heaven’s incomparable joy. Therefore, God does these children no wrong in taking their lives."

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/slaughter-of-the-canaanites

Back to gravity:

>>...a concept that thousands of scholarly books and articles have been written about, because it cannot be explained in a few words why it is so “impenetrably complex and subtly layered”<<

The mere existence of "thousands of scholarly books and articles" on the topic of religion, cannot hide the fact that they are all, when you get down to it, arguing about angels dancing on a pinhead.

Whereas both you and I can experience gravity without understanding it, only you can indulge in religious speculation, as it is based upon your faith alone.