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Thinking Christians spurn hammy creationism : Comments

By Chris Middleton, published 19/2/2014

It is important that a minority view within Christianity is not allowed to frame a false dichotomy between religion and science.

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Humans,..Chimpanzees and Monkeys Share DNA
but Not..Gene Regulatory Mechanisms..enter the pig

Dr/Gilad reported..that up to 40%..of the differences in the expression or activity patterns..of genes between humans, chimpanzees and rhesus monkeys...can be explained by regulatory mechanisms that determine..whether and how a gene's recipe for a protein is transcribed.*to the RNA molecule ..hat carries the recipe instructions to the sites in cells where proteins are manufactured.

In addition to improving scientific understanding of the uniqueness of humans,...studies such as the investigation conducted by Dr. Gilad and colleagues could have relevance to human health and disease.

"Through inter-species' comparisons at the DNA sequence and expression levels,..we hope to identify the genetic basis of human specific traits..and in particular the genetic variations underlying the higher susceptibility to certain diseases such as malaria and cancer in humans than in non-human primates," said Dr. Gilad.

Dr. Gilad and his colleagues studied gene expression in lymphoblastoid cell lines, laboratory cultures of immortalized white blood cells, from eight humans,.eight chimpanzees and eight rhesus monkeys.
They found*..that the distinct gene expression patterns of the three species can be explained by corresponding changes in genetic and epigenetic regulatory mechanisms..that determine when and how a gene's DNA code..*is transcribed to a messenger RNA (mRNA) molecule.

Dr. Gilad also determined that the epigenetics process known as histone modification..also differs in the three species. The presence of histone marks during gene transcription..indicates that the process is being prevented or modified.

"These data allowed us to identify..both conserved and species-specific..enhancer and repressor regulatory elements,.as well as characterize similarities and differences across species in transcription factor binding.to these regulatory elements," Dr. Gilad said.

Among the similarities among the three species were the promoter regions of DNA that initiated transcription of a particular gene.
In all three species, Dr. Gilad's lab found that transcription factor binding and histone modifications were identical in over 67% of regulatory elements in DNA segments that are regarded as promoter regions.

A simple moment of reflection.shows that if about 67-70% of regulatory elements (DNA)..are identical,
then about 30-33% of them are different.

2B CTD
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 13 March 2014 11:00:00 AM
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If Regulatory elements comprise about 20% of human DNA,
then about 13.4% of that is identical,
leaving about 6.6 % of the Genome in this area DIFFERENT.

Adding that 6.6% to the 4% of protein encoding genes admitted to be different, we have actually about

10.6% of Human DNA now known to differ from that of chimps.

This leaves possibly identical DNA at less than 89%, not the 96% claimed,..which was based on a 1% sample of protein encoding gene.

The actual differences between Man and Chimps in respect of
gross, raw or bulk DNA is of little significance to speciation,
and therefore of little significance for Common Descent.

What matters is the OTHER, regulatory codes controlling morphology,
and these are significantly NOT LIMITED to raw DNA sequences,
but are also encoded in the ARRANGEMENTS of code segments.

This is an astounding and exciting finding,
which goes entirely against the parading of
fudged percentages of similarity for raw DNA content.

Look again at the following chart (in particular, section B):

http://www.easynotecards.com/uploads/1164/84/69c3b13a_13a8788d737__8000_00000274.jpg

Over 20% of Human DNA is now known to be made up of Regulatory Sequences,
which are now acknowledged to control physical layout, features, proportions, and general speciation.
These were formerly thought to be 'junk DNA' or 'uncoded DNA'.

If a significant portion of this 20% is now known to be the main source of
the differentiation between Man and Chimps,
then the claim that Man and Chimp share 98% of DNA is total nonsense.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7713309/
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 13 March 2014 11:02:21 AM
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as new visioning appears..it must be noted
recall that story of cain/able..maNY times i have told THE REVEAL

but today..it got its update
CAIN BECAME Neandathol..[too much ape/genes]..hE WAS A HOW YA SAY IT
OUTLYER..AND THE OTHER F1...WAS DEAD..

how many kids adam eve have AFTER CAIN left?

I COULD EASY..look it up..but allow others tO FILL THEIR OWN GAPS

SCAPE GOATS WERE BORNM THERE
THE LAW OF FIXTURE AND FUNGABLES..THE TREE OF LIFES KNOWINGS OF GOOD FROM EVIL HAD BEGUN..but was loki/for so may cain prove tO BE..WHAT WOULD BE HIS NEXT MATING [ITS CLEAR 'HIS' agro line genes/didnt go extinct...its all linked.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 14 March 2014 12:06:47 PM
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pleasE..SEE/THAT..THIS..IS..A CLUE/NOT RACISM
but my guides/reveal..a PIG SNout/reCALL..'THE PIG MEN..OF NOSTRILDAMMUS..[NOSTRADAMUS]

PLUS/THE FACT..OF THE RACE..OF Pinocchio'S/nose..[it all...fits with the pig..thesis][..add/in..aboriginal belief/..*not_to_eat_totum..the peaces..can come..-together...via..viral pieces.

<<..Any..further thoughts..on/those Neanderthals?
Specifically,..that is,..as to where they fit..into the..
"begats".>>

OK..IN..THE BEGINNING..LIFE BEGAT LIFE..
If....nothing-else,..LIFE/..LIVING indicates..
THE LINKAGE..[LINKING..*LIVING/*\LOVING=life]..

its revealed...in..our/very/loki-like..[behavior]..be-have-ya

THUS..[be/it....about]..the beliefs..people have held..OR LEARNING'S..Input by..GUIDES/INCLUDING\spirits]..and..other wise/or OTHER/CLUE..TO explanatory process..AND/or..historic GUIDANCE/record..

lets examine...the/cain aberration..BY..LIGHT/OF..*the first law
'LIFE/..LIVES to pro-create..LIFE.'*...[its about..ex'ta-genus rapine;...the proto-creating hybrids..[MIS?]-NAMED..AS GENUS*]
http://www.macroevolution.net/mammalian-hybrids.html

For..example,..it’s interesting..that many people...(including..such as acknowledged/geniuses..as John Locke and Voltaire)..have expressed the belief..[BY..LIFE WITNESS..OF THE SPITIT-REALM?]..OR

that.. POSSIBILITY..[THAT humans..can hybridize with animals],.. whether or not reliable..physical-evidence..[PROOF]..Remains to support\..such a notion materially.

The parallel's..between hybrid crosses..[see/links]..and..THE VISIONS OF DANTE'....and..Plutarch’s historical personages..can perhaps be made clearer..

with an example...Take Jesus Christ...There are many people who do not believe..that Jesus ever existed,...let alone that he was divine. And yet,..even an a*gnostic/a*theist..would admit*.that there are historical references..to a person..of that name.

Thus,.*..while not believing..in the real existence of Jesus,..a fair-minded atheist/agro*nostic..might admit..that such references do exist...He or she might even read,..ablE/TO..RECALL/ASSOCIATE/list or quote them.

Both the honest believer..and the honest un*believer would be justified...in collecting/importing..every shred of evidence relating to..the existence..[or nonexistence]..of Jesus...The former might gather it..with the intention of bolstering Christianity’s case...The latter..*might wish to show ..hat available historical data is entirely insufficient..to justify..THEIR EXPRESSED/belief.

A third type of person,..however,..SAY....a neutral historian, might simply wish to assemble all the information bearing upon the topic. It..is this third motive..that has guided the creation..of this book.
http://global.oup.com/academic/product/handbook-of-avian-hybrids-of-the-world-9780195183238;jsessionid=83A88C1BF4E44CCEF6FA2C42A482F410?cc=us&lang=en&

In the case of every cross,..I have endeavored not to express my own beliefs..as to whether it might occur...My intention,..instead, has been to collect reports/bearing on the phenomenon of mammalian hybridization..
http://www.macroevolution.net/mammalian-hybrids.html
and to record each such piece..of information under the headings of the various crosses..to which it relates...Viewed in this light, each separate type of cross..is a distinct historical entity to be investigated.

The crosses...“dog × cat” and “gorilla × chimpanzee” are topics that can be researched,..just as Jesus and Mohammed can,..whether you believe in them..or not...

*With this..pure/science/methodical..approach,..which brings.a strong historical*element..to the study...of natural/history,..belief can be largely..set aside...thanks/to..salty
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16065&page=0
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 15 March 2014 11:23:42 AM
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reply to aj/from post/here
who HOPES TO BAFFLE By endless rephrasing
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16065&page=0

You're..not fairing too well..AJ
BATTING ZIP

aj..replied..<<..Here’s a few hypotheses>>..RE ABIOGENSUS

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/originoflife.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis.

FAIR Enough/i..only need..one..To refute all you said
see item9/link1
<<..plausible scenarios>>...ie not any proof/just theories.

LINE1
<<..Even the simplest..currently living cells..contain hundreds of proteins..most of which are essential..to their functioning.>>

THEN YOU GRASPED AT STraws..<<..nuclear fusion>>..
MY REPLY..IS..THAT STUDIES KNOWN PHENOMINA
UNLIKE/THE SPECULATIONS....fRE/FIRST..*LIE..[liFe..from non life..]

<<..What are these 20 steps you speak of?>>
final/lines..point 1
<<...The likely most accurate hypothetical study (Gil et al. 2004) , puts the minimal number of genes at 206...[wink]..All the proteins produced from these genes..are involved in a maze of pathways of metabolism,...replication, as well as building and maintenance of structure,/..which is of bewildering complexity.

[then/there..of course..is thE SMALL-MATTER..of a cell-membrain.



In fact..how else/than through..such a minimum amount..of complexity, could even..a primitive cell...have met the just mentioned basic demands?..How could..such a vastly complex network..of more than 200 proteins have arisen by itself?..>.//

your/link..denies YOU.
APES breeding human..prove it/..its/YOUR..PROOF?

in your opinion..[biased/opinion]....
<<..Scientists already..have with DNA,..mitochondrial DNA,..>>

YEAH THE..DNA/we share too..with a bannana
[if i cant use..that crap/..you cant EITHER

APPART FROM THAT..WHAT YA GOT?

<<..chromosome fusion,>>..lol
see previous posts..re short STANDS..

fusion..lol
prove it

rubbish...re the..<<fossil-record..>>..prove it

By the way,..yoU’re..still ALL PURE-ape..to me
,,so/go..get an ape/HEART-VALVE..LOL..[THINK]
..WHY YOUR GET..THEM FROM A PiG?]

AJ.<<..Probably..for the same reason..we share 50% of..our genes with bananas.>>..

THAt..didnt work..for me/nor you

do TRY Again

<<>.As for you claims..regarding hybrids and sterility>>

ok..i will yet again../DO YOUR THINKING
FOR YOU..its pathetic//but i will be..the bigger guy.

man is king..of the beasts/WE ARE HERE
because ape raped a pig

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16038&page=0

AND BECAUSE I RESPECT/..YOUR TIME..and unlike..thy good selF DONT LIKE OTHERS WASTING THEIR TIME/EITHER..IT SORT OF BEGAN ..Tuesday, 25 February..with me scrEWING..YA APE THEORY/..before finding the p[ig hybrid...THEO-WRY]

if you could KEEP COMMENT..ON THAT TOPIC THERE

THAT Gives me 4..more posts to/properly reply YOUR ASPERSIONS..THAT GRANMA EVE was a sow...or lucies hubby [YOUR N/MINe..great great grand-PAPPY..was a boar...LIVE WITH IT/YA CANT escape what we are/SUCK IT UP LIKE A MAN/LIKE LUCY HAF TO.
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 7:03:40 PM
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TOPIC MOVED A LITTLE FURTHER..ALONG..HERE
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15995&page=0

ANOTHER DOOR OPENED HERE
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16166&page=11

related
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=5899&page=3
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=38
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=16112&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6152&page=0#178808
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 3 April 2014 8:49:48 AM
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