Kerry and the Obama Administration are the latest in a long line of US Administrations who feel compelled to participate, often for humane reasons, in the theatre of compromise between Israelis and Palestinians.

All three sides also participate because its in their national interests.

For an obvious reason it'll be an interesting week but probably one of predictable hatreds from the usual.

"How can there possibly be any transformation in the relationship between Jews and Arabs when Kerry's framework for peace is destined to go nowhere until this long running Arab enmity of Jews is completely eradicated," says the Singer, his tongue in his cheek.

And where did the Arab enmity come from? Could it be related to the placing of Israel smack in the middle of Palestine by Western Powers? Could it have anything to do with the sixty year occupation of Palestine since 1948?

Could it be a result of the genocide the Israelis have carried out on the Palestinians, or the thieving of their land, or the constant humiliation of the Palestinians and the starving of their kids and the denial of medicines, or the destruction of Palestinian farms and the building of dividing walls, or the throwing of Palestinians from their home into the street, or the building of Jew-only roads and settlements or the 1967 War or Jenine, Shatila and and Xmas surprise that Gaza got a few years ago, or the killing of Arafat, etc, etc?

Israel could be forgiven for these atrocities but only if they get in planes and go back to where they came from and take their racism and arrogance and religious extremism with them.

Only then will the hate dissipate but it will still take decades! If the Israelis don't go, hate will last ten thousand year or until the Israelis begin to drop some of their nukes!

Let the Arabs go. Say what you mean. You know you mean Jews and not Israelis.

Jews were in Israel around 1,500 or so years before the Arab conquest. Arabs left when the land was again conquered.

As the Jews came in reater number in the early 1900s, and drained the swamps and made the deserts bloom, something interesting began to happen. Arabs followed. They had good reason to come. They came for jobs. They came for prosperity. They came for freedom. And they came in large numbers.

Winston Churchill observed in 1939: “So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased"

Mark Twain visited the Holy Land in the 19th century, he was disappointed. He referred to it as a vast wasteland.

There has always a strong Jewish presence in the land – particularly in and around Jerusalem. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of that holy city. The source for that statistic? A journalist on assignment in the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx.

A travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker, illustrates the fact that, even when the Islamic Ottoman Empire ruled the region, the Muslim population in Jerusalem was minimal. The book estimates the total population of the city at 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians and 40,000 were Jews.

DavidG

You state:

"And where did the Arab enmity come from? Could it be related to the placing of Israel smack in the middle of Palestine by Western Powers? "

Firstly - Israel was only placed in 22% of Palestine - with Arab self -determination to take place in the other 78%.

Secondly - That decision was made by the unanimous consent of all following 51 members of the League of Nations:

"Albania, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, British India, Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Italy, Japan, Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes, Latvia, Liberia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Persia, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Republic of China, Romania, Siam, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Union of South Africa, United Kingdom, Uruguay, and Venezuela."

The Arabs have never accepted this verdict of the international community.

Whilst people like you support their rejectionist decision - the 130 years old conflict is sure to continue.

Why should one Jewish state among 21 Arab States be the cause for continuing wars and conflict? How much land do the Arabs need to swallow up before they get indigestion? They ended up with 99.99%. Is grabbing the other 0.01% worth the tens of thousands of deaths of both Jews and Arabs that we have seen for the last 93 years?

Remove your Jew-hating blinkers and open your eyes.

Or are you totally blind and racially prejudiced?

Excellent response David Singer.

To David G

You say "they get in planes and go back to where they came"

That's an interesting point. Where would you suggest I should go?

At this point in time I live in Australia, though I was born in England from Russian and Polish stock.

My paternal grandmother came from Spain, via Russia, from where her family was forcibly evicted in the early 1500s.

The chromosome Haplotypes, genes, DNA in my blood signifies I originate in the Middle East, as they do with all Jews, unless Jewish by conversion.

So I thank you for suggesting we all go back to Eretz Israel from whence we came.

You left one important question out, Singer. You forgot to ask me if I've stopped beating my wife?

And also, like other misguided people who write and comment on OLO, you attribute hate to me. You confuse legitimate criticism and hate.

Because I frequently list the many atrocities and war crimes committed by Israel doesn't mean that I hate Jews/Israelis.

But it is correct to say that I hate what they do, hate how they brutalize the Palestinians and steal their land, hate how they humiliate and exploit them, hate how they keep them in poverty. What do you expect me to do? Give them praise for their criminality and serial atrocities?

Singer, you use the accusation of hate to create a smokescreen just as prior to WW2, when people raises questions about aggressive German rearmament, they were ignored. Again, the rampant imperialism of the U.S. is being ignored while the Americans continue to take over the world using force.

I raise questions about Israel and its enabler the U.S. because I can see where their imperialism is leading: a nuclear holocaust.

I hate no one, get it! But I don't want to end my days being vaporized in a nuclear holocaust caused by the greed and ultra-nationalism of Israel and America.

I hope that has cleared things up and I will continue to argue the case for the removal of Israel from the Middle East and the toppling of the U.S. before it gains global domination and sets up a totalitarian, Big Brother world.

I am spurred on in my endeavors by love for this world and its people and a hatred of the evil and greed and depravity which some humans are clearly capable of.

Hatred of many things is so easily placed on those who allegedly do those things.

Blanket terms are used such as the "US", "Israel" and "Jews".

If qualifiers were used, such as neocons, rightwingers, Likud, settlers or Netanyahu, it would look less like bald racism.

New Anti-Semitism is developing simultaneously from the left, right and "libertarians" (aka Tea Party).

New Anti-Semites frequently oppose Zionism and Israel but then most significantly move their statements on to demonise Jews.

For many opposition to Israel, capitalism, bankers and "banksters" transforms itself into an excuse or opportunity to demonise Jews.

Quite a good program screening at the moment is "Generation War", Sunday, 8.30pm, SBS One, about 5 friends in WWII. One who is Jewish, 2 are in the German Army. Its about their experience in Berlin and the Russian Front http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_War . Anti-Semitism and warfare are, of course, major themes.

Pete

P.S. I could also substitute the word 'deplore' or 'loathe' for the word 'hate' which might help some people to see the point I am making.

For example: I deplore the brutality of the Israelis and I loathe the way America goes about its imperialism pretending to stand for democracy and human rights. This stops the people who accuse me of hate in their tracks.

All I want is a peaceful world where there is equality and justice for all.

Cheers.

David G

Strange you remain silent about the brutality and atrocities of the Palestinian Arab murderers mentioned in my article.

I guess by your warped standards the Jews and Arabs slaughtered by these low life deserved what they got.

The granting of Israel to the Jews was a legitimate act of the Allies when they defeated Germany and the Ottomans in WW1. It was only done after the League of Nations had established Jewish continued presence in the land of Israel. Israel declared its independence after WW2, and has been fighting a war of survival against its neighbours ever since.
But surely, even if Arab lands were given to the Jews by the Allies, why would blame the Jews? Why abuse, berate, murder the Jews who legitimately hold those lands now? If injustice was done, it was done by the United Nations, not the Jews.
A rational apportionment of blame, however, does nothing to abate the visceral hatred that Moslems have for Jews and for that their religion is to blame for it supports the same blasphemies against Jews that the Nazis espoused. One might reasonably ask what possible use do the Persians have for nuclear weapons - other than to destroy Israel.
The argument that really grates, however, is the one that commence "I am not anti-Jew; but I am anti-Zionist". I heard it first from an educated, mild mannered Englishman who swung that cudgel around his head and delivered it in eloquent tones.
A young European woman delivered her theological justification: the Jews deserved to die at the hands of Nazis because "they killed Jesus." The French, we know, conspired with the Nazis to send French Jews to the death camps.
People say they are only anti-Zionist; but the only practical result of that policy must be either to abolish Israel and send the Jew back to those countries where inhuman sentiments are cultivated; or, which would have the same effect, to abolish Israel as a homeland for the Jew and to create a create a multicultural mecca.
It is because of reasonable people like that, that the Hebrews need Israel, need a shelter from the anti-Zionist and the anti-Jew. Either solution would mean the death of the Jews and Israel, thank God will not permit that to happen.

David G,
I intended going through your comments one by one showing where you are wrong but I get the impression that you are so indoctrinated by the Far Left there is no point. Your thoughts and ideas are so far away from the truth it isn’t funny.

Your antisemitism shows by every comment you make and your protestations only serve to heighten that.

• Latest figures BTW give a 15% obesity rate amongst the children of Gaza.

A couple of questions for you.

Why is it that the Arabs in Israel who will be under the control of the PA, if (that’s a big ask)there’s a peace deal made, don’t want that.? They want to be under Israeli control.

Abbas has said he won’t make peace and will never accept Israel
http://jcpa.org/abbas-denies-his-authority-to-make-decisions-for-a-lasting-peace/

Under Palestinian law, if Abbas signs a peace agreement with Israel he would be subject to the death penalty

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2014/01/under-palestinian-law-if-abbas-signs.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/PDbq+%28Elder+of+Ziyon%29#.UtUoY7SX_J

Oh dear. Religion has so much to answer for. If the world were full of Agnostics, the word 'extremist' would barely exist. Hatred, loathing, discrimination,ignorance... wow the list goes on.

Jodelie, I agree fully with your comment. Religion makes people crazy, fills their minds with nonsense, lies and false promises.

A world freed from the derangement that religion brings would be more sane, a more rational place. Acceptance of the fact there is no afterlife would put pressure on humans to make our brief moment in the sun as enjoyable as possible for each other and that doesn't mean trying to become rich!

The combined effects of religion, capitalism and nationalism has created a hell on Earth for the insane.

David G

Care to comment on the brutality and atrocities committed by the Arab murderers detailed in my article?

Why do you constantly avoid answering responses to your wild and unsubstantiated comments - eg your claim that Israel was placed smack in the middle of Palestine by Western Powers?

If you cannot comprehend the basic facts of the conflict - how can your comments have any credibility whatsoever?

Do you accept your above comment was factually inaccurate and are you prepared to retract your statement?

Singer, care to comment on the brutality and atrocities committed by the Israeli murderers detailed in my many, many comments?

Not once have you ever even acknowledged them yet here you are demanding that I respond to your wild, deluded claims.

You are an extreme fundamentalist, Singer, and clearly beyond redemption!

David G

You have the names and details of the crimes committed by the convicted Arab murderers set out in my article - and you still refuse to comment.

Please supply the same details in relation to your claimed "Israeli murderers" and I will respond. - names of victims and when the alleged murders were committed.

You still refuse to retract your statement that Israel was placed smack in the middle of Palestine by Western Powers. Why?

People of David G's anti-Israel ilk pretend not to be anti-semites. They approve and support organisations of genocidal and terrorist purposes, and that is enough. They approve vicious murderers on one side, while labelling self-defense by the other as murder - and that is enough.

Will they speak in defense of jews and christians murdered by Muslim mobs and armies in the other countries of the region?

Will they boycott the countries that drove many hundreds of thousands of jews out as refugees and stole their belongings and homes, through the 20th century? Will they demand apologies and reparations for the jewish refugees from mob hate?

The evil of self-righteousness is powerful in the Left, the BDS cranks and their fellow travellers. The mental pathologies of the conflict prevent them seeing that claiming to want peace while attacking the only side capable of forming peace, is insane.

There is no difference between the psychology these Israel-hating neighbours of ours, and that of the actual killers. Self-righteousness, not just religion, drives smug murderers to see their actions as 'good' and is highly developed in political extremists of the anti-Israel Left. All people should be ready to speak against their insanity, to make sure we do not have to have to actually fight them here as well.