Yuyutsu,

<<but anger does not serve religion, only forbearance>>

So perhaps we need to write to the Syrian "moderates" and tell they just need to show greater forbearance.

http://www.mail.com/int/news/world/2530106-syria-militants-opposition-activists.html#.1258-stage-set3-4

Dear AJ-Philips,

Sorry I couldn't address all your points properly: I'm really struggling with the 350-word limit. I'm only allowed this and one-more post later-today, then I must wait-till-Sunday, so sorry I must pick-and-choose what-I-believe-is the-essence-of-your-vast-references:

<<When energy and time is wasted doing this, rather than devoting full time and energy to actually preventing or fixing a problem, then it is potentially causing harm.>>

As I just wrote: "One has only two arms, two legs, one head and 24 hours/day". What you are asking is that others devote these to solving YOUR problems.

<<<<The point that I was trying to make was - "Live and let live.">>

Of course! But there are some who are riding roughshod over our rights, security and wellbeing, and all with the passive support of the billions of their fellow travelers.

Where do we draw the line?>>

I draw the line at taking away your freedom to sin.
I don't support riding roughshod over other's rights.
I support "Live and let live".
I wonder whether you do the same?

<<With religion being perhaps the biggest wall,>>

So here you claim yourself that there are also other "walls that separate us", besides religion.
What you fail to see (and I can't blame you for that) is that religion is not a wall, only the pretence-of-religion.

<<The plain fact is, religion must die for mankind to live.>>

Mankind will not live forever. Religion will.
Everything gravitates towards returning to its origin and essence - God,
so mankind too exists only for the purpose of practising religion
(however, religion need not always be explicit or accompanied by belief).

<<If you belonged to a political party or a social club that was tied to as much bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, violence and sheer ignorance as religion is, you'd resign in protest.>>

Yes, but religion isn't a social club. Those who go to church for social/political reasons are fooling themselves.

Dear SPQR,

Indeed, there are some despicable people who hide behind the veil of 'religion', desecrating God's name and bringing religion into disrepute. Their true motives are national/tribal, anything but religious.

Hi Yuyutsu,

<<Their true motives are national/tribal, anything but religious>>

Would to interested to know what filter you use to distinguish/separate national/tribal motivations from religious?

Yuyutsu, the all powerful Religious right are definately making sure that we will never ever have voluntary euthanasia, which is my right if I choose, they combine world wide to make sure that legislation does not get passed in various countries including Australia, is this being what they call Christian ethics,? I don't think so, denying me my right.

Don't be concerned, Ojnab.

This is the link!

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/dr-death-philip-nitschke-to-open-australias-first-euthanasia-clinic-in-gilberton-this-week/story-fni6uo1m-1226757890493

The idiots who want to run our lives and our deaths have been out-maneuvered by the good doctor.

The internet has set us free!

That’s not good enough, Yuyutsu.

<<Sorry I couldn't address all your points properly: I'm really struggling with the 350-word limit…>>

If you didn’t have the word allowance/ time to respond adequately, then you should have done us both the service of simply not responding at all. Moreover, you wasted at least 150 words beating up on a man made of straw with the ‘society-building’ tangent that you went off on. This catch-up now just looks like you’re trying to save face after having initially sidestepped my more pertinent points.

[Speaking of society-building, here is but one inspirational example of the prosperous effects that a lack of religion can have on impoverished communities: http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-12/ethiopian-village-has-gained-wealth-has-bred-hostility]

<<"One has only two arms, two legs, one head and 24 hours/day". What you are asking is that others devote these to solving YOUR problems.>>

They’re not MY problems. I have pointed people to objectively determinable problems facing religion that are insurmountable (as is apparent given the dishonesty and fallacies coming from the theistic quarters on this thread). So other than reading, little effort is required from others. I have asked no-one to go off and resolve anything.

<<I draw the line at taking away your freedom to sin … I wonder whether you do the same?>>

Please don’t suggest that I might try to force others to stop believing, given the chance. Irrationally can only be fought with evidence and reasoned argument.

<<What you fail to see … is that religion is not a wall, only the pretence-of-religion.>>

Either this is the No-true-Scotsman fallacy (yet again), or it makes the same mistakes I addressed in my first post to Danielle (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15820#274298).

<<Religion will [live forever] … Everything gravitates towards returning to its origin and essence - God…>>

More unsubstantiated claims. You can’t just assert anything you want and expect that it’s going to advance your argument.

<<Yes, but religion isn't a social club.>>

No-one ever implied that it was.

<<Those who go to church for social/political reasons are fooling themselves.>>

The analogy doesn’t refer to anyone who does; nor does it depend on anyone doing so.