True Suse, but what should one call the old trick of punching a hole in the baby's head with a knitting needle before birth i.e. when the head is in sight?

Killarney

obviously can't handle the truth. Seems like pro baby murderers are prepared for all kinds of violence in order to defend their crimes.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b83_1386107661

Is Mise, that sort of thing apparently did happen in the bad old days, when women could not access safe abortions, and thus were desperate.
This is exactly the reason why we have safe, legal abortions now.

Dear Killarney,

You missed me completely:

By 'cruel acts' I referred to the forcing of Christian doctors to act against their conscience, not to abortions.

Yuyutsu, I hope you aren't suggesting it is only the morally superior 'Christian Doctors' who object to taking part in abortions?
Because that would be a very naive and wrong assumption.

There is a big difference between asking Doctors ( religious or not) to take part in abortions, and asking them to refer women onto another doctor who will do this, or knows someone who will.

Doctors take an oath to try to help ALL patients who come to them, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or any other difference.
If they personally don't have the qualifications or the expertise in helping that patient, then they are obliged to refer them on to someone who will.

If anyone feels too morally or religiously superior as to judge someone for choices about their own body, then they have no business being a Doctor in the first place.

Perhaps you are confusing the job of a doctor with that of a priest?

Dear Suse,

You are right of course: although the majority of doctors who oppose abortions are Christian, NO doctor should be forced to act against their conscience, Christian or otherwise, either by performing an abortion or by contributing to it in any way.

What you claim a "big difference" is only a small, insignificant one when matters of morality and principle are concerned.

You may not see the cruelty in your words, but perhaps others will.

"Doctors take an oath"

While I could argue much about the oath, my explanation would be too sophisticated for you to understand and the discussion would spread into a whole gamut of other topics, so I'll just say that what you are essentially and childishly telling those doctors is,
"Hehehe, I caught you by your word, I'm holding your ring of power, so now you are mine, you cannot resist me and you must do whatever I tell you".

Never mind that Hippocrates rolls in his grave, that he never imagined his oath being abused this way, never mind that Hippocrates never meant that doctors must separate the soul/spirit from the body and treat the body separately as if nothing else matters, never mind that the women in question who see the doctor do not even visit for a health issue, so they are not truly 'patients'.

Never mind that the girl who visits the doctor knows well in advance that he'll not help her to abort because there's a big sign on his door: "We do not support abortions", or perhaps because the only sign on the door actually says "Ophthalmologist".

Never mind that the girl is not really even pregnant, but she enters the office of a heart surgeon and says: "Doctor, I need an abortion", keeping a recording-device in her purse in order to trap him, then she throws out a party: "Hurray, another Christian out of work, another Christian will not afford to send his children to a Catholic school, another Christian will have his kids indoctrinated by MY ideas!"

You really are looking for a civil war, Suse.