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By Peter Sellick, published 28/10/2013How is she going to clear her head of the idea that it is all about morality and that the church is a spoilsport at the table of life?
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Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Monday, 4 November 2013 3:18:24 PM
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it may speak..plainly dan
but..jesus turning hand wash-jars full of toilet water..into..booze is hugely wrong..ditto..the feeding of 4000/5000..on the mount[all they..*wished]..without the hand-wash-jars..[and seated opposite each other]..watching..ensures none didst eat the deciples..clearly were in..ignorance..of the ritual as revealed..by them eating the shew bread..[with unclean HANDS] to which jesus replies its not what man..PUTS into his mouth[which maketh him unclean..but that which issues forth from..it.. piss/christ indeed i..suggest any real christian's.. read about..the real christ..'jesus the man' and wake-up to the imagery..and rote/trite/rite or jesus may well say..why should i know you..didst you seek to know me? how much..of jesus..is illusion the watchmen..stay silent..peter should leave rome [taking only the library..of records] Posted by one under god, Monday, 4 November 2013 4:05:31 PM
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To you, Dan S de Merengue, maybe.
>>But the Bible speaks plainly, even to modern readers.<< According to Wikipedia (yes, I know. But you have to start somewhere) the Book of Revelation "is the final book of the New Testament and occupies a central part in Christian eschatology." My bible says... "What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; and his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; the mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches." Revelation 1:11-20 Question. Is this "plain speaking" factual, or allegorical? And how do "modern readers" tell one from the other? Posted by Pericles, Monday, 4 November 2013 4:30:01 PM
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prericules/quote..<<..Question. ..is this "plain speaking" factual, or allegorical?>>
it was addressed..to/the churches.. who well understood the..code under the words/..at its time[as then..intended] from acim/urtext http://acimlounge.ning.com/forum/topics/urtext-volume-i-text-the-relationship-of-miracles-and-revelation ""Remember the point about Miracles..as a means of organizing..mans..many/different levels of consciousness. "miracles..come from the..(below/conscious)[nature/nurture] (subconscious) simplistic level.[as inthe miracle..of life creation "*Revelations..come from the/above..conscious level. The conscious level..is in between..& reacts to either sub- or super-conscious impulses..[direct fromgod]..in varying ratios. "Freud was right about the classification, but not the names.... <<And how do "modern readers" tell one from the other?..>> simply by being..consciously..[compassionately]..aware..[in..the moment]..of the revelation..revealing the miracle. its as easy..as being..forgiving..[like a child].. or by gods living example..[the dog]..forgiving/grace/mercy Posted by one under god, Monday, 4 November 2013 4:53:34 PM
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The book of Revelation is a prophetic vision. It's a recognisable genre for that period (even though unusual sounding to us today) and its meaning would have been perfectly clear and obvious to the original recipients of the letter in the 1st Century AD.
The general idea of what it's about is spelled out in the first few sentences: 'This is a a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John, who faithfully reported everything he saw. This is his report of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. God blesses the one who reads the words of this prophecy to the church, and he blesses all who listen to its message and obey what it says, for the time is near.' Posted by Dan S de Merengue, Monday, 4 November 2013 7:20:14 PM
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Maybe so, Dan S de Merengue.
>>...its meaning would have been perfectly clear and obvious to the original recipients of the letter in the 1st Century AD.<< But this sounds like an admission that you misspoke earlier, when you said: >>But the Bible speaks plainly, even to modern readers.<< We don't get to hear a lot of prophetic visions these days. And I think I know why. Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 5:35:10 AM
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Most of the Bible is very lucid. It helps if you pick up a good modern translation. Though I'll admit that there are some loose threads (often where the popular media want to focus), and some passages where it would help to inquire into the historical or cultural background. But this is to be expected when reading a collection of writings of such antiquity. And there is plenty of scope for mystery and enigma.
But the Bible speaks plainly, even to modern readers. It's essential themes are evident. It isn't the world's most read, most translated and most analysed book for no reason; year in, year out.