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By Robert Burrowes, published 25/10/2013Each human being is genetically programmed with a drive to seek and find meaning in life and it will endeavour to do this throughout its life.
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Posted by david f, Friday, 25 October 2013 10:35:47 AM
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are you publish..or perish..[which hat?]
im..going to read..your thread.. one of so many..on the topic..how many ways to..say the same thing but you seem provably..incorrect..from the beginning <<..Each human being..is genetically programmed..with a drive to seek and find meaning..in life..>> stop there we are not all equal [over half of us cant read] http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15602&page=0 education..has built its edifice..upon sand http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15608&page=0 lest we ignore the 'retards'[i forget the nice words] or the..imbisiles..[thats a legal term..for wards of the court[needing a lawyer..to speak/for them]..[senile..etc clearly babies only want love comfort and food we ARE-not..ALL..<<..is genetically..programmed..with a drive..>> [that seems a mixed..meta]ofor] drives..programs..used to be..two separate things harder software perhaps..?..but not consistantly..NOR GENETICLY we are shaped..by our genes..develop mind sets from society develop loves hates via the simulations of lif's opportunities and good and bad events..peers etc etc but in the end we agree..<<and it will endeavour to do this throughout its life.>>>for many..for most they simply aver[give u[..others cut and run..and yet others cut off nose to spite the face of god..by saying genes genes genes[life..by atheist implication..excludes god] behind every vile act' lies the choice to..redeem.. the negative averments inherent of the act http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15562&page=0 http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15557&page=0 http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15542&page=0 Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 11:44:01 AM
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Robert is of course entirely correct in his assertion that we are genetically programmed or patterned to grow into the state/condition of full Self-Realization. The necessary subtle psycho-physical structures are already there, waiting to be activated.
Unfortunately our entire "culture" including all of its dim-witted exoteric religion knows nothing about this intrinsic possibility, and in all kinds of ways actively suppresses the possibility of such Self-Realization from occurring. This reference is about the Western literary/philosophical prejudices against such Higher Knowledge & Realization. http://www.dabase.org/up-1-3.htm This reference describes the seven stages of psycho-physical growth that are latent in the psycho-physical structures of every human being. http://www.aboutadidam.org/growth/seven_stages.html This reference describes how the process of evolution works in or via the structures of our body-mind-complex http://www.aboutadidam.org/readings/divine_physics_of_evolution/index.html The references available here introduce some unique beings who actually Realized something remarkable about the nature of our existence-being. http://www.beezone.com/ArticlesTradition.html Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 25 October 2013 12:42:58 PM
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Dear Daffy Duck,
I looked up the references you cited. They simply consisted of more assertions about human behaviour. There was still not a bit of evidence to verify the statement: "Each human being is genetically programmed with a drive to seek and find meaning in life and it will endeavour to do this throughout its life if it is allowed to do so." Repetition of an assertion does not establish its validity. The assertion could be proven valid by establishing that a particular portion of the human genome impels humans to seek and find meaning in life. The statement remains an unverified conjecture. Posted by david f, Friday, 25 October 2013 1:27:19 PM
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daff/link\quote..<<The Seven..Stages..of Life
<<What is..the total process*..of human growth?>> GENES?GENES/genes so read nofurther <<..What would occur..*in us..>> ie IN..OUR MINDS..in-our hearts..or in/our cellular bodies or by our..genes?[the use if in*..excludes genes..[in]..that merely instruct..[excludes all..external's] not the pre-conditional..use of 'if'.. <<..if we..were able..to grow..>> genes? <<..to the full extent..of our potential?>> <<..Avatar Adi Da Samraj offers..a schema..of seven stages..of life..>. IE MORE THAN GENES? <<..which represents His Wisdom on the entire spectrum of human possibility...He has systematically/described..not only our {genes}..physical,..[BUT..ALSO]..emotional,..and mental development,>> THATS 3...AND GENES..but more <<..but also..all the phases..of Spiritual,..Transcendental,..and Divine>> hangon.. this REFUES GENES..not..proves a fallacy <<unfolding that are potential in us, once we are mature..in ordinary, human terms. <<..This unique schema, which proceeds from birth to the final phases of Divine Enlightenment, is a central reference point in Avatar Adi Da Samraj's Wisdom-Teaching. <<It is an invaluable tool for understanding how we developas individuals, and also for understanding how the Teachings and practices proposed by the various schools of religion and spirituality fit into the entirety of human potential. The first three stages of life.. are the stages of ordinary human growth..from birth to adulthood.>> genes..WHAT GENES? [look..its great info..daffy..but*..genes..not* <<..They are the stages of physical, emotional, and mental development, occurring in three periods of approximately seven years each (until approximately twenty-one years of age). Every individual who lives to an adult age inevitably grows in the first three stages of life. In most cases, though, that growth is not complete. yes a great link.. http://www.aboutadidam.org/growth/seven_stages.html but not proof of concept..of genetic pre-dominance.. nor pre-disposition..pre-judgment/bias hope perhaps? never the less great info..as to true influences great find;] Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 1:46:07 PM
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daffy..its called confirmational-bias
we raised the issue here.. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257#269560 /when..someone..named an ape.. as..passing...the mirror test [ie its genes ..were PURE APE].. but it was changed...by..its environment* COMPLETLY..unique..[its the best example..the jesus of 'great-apes' so as to be..a super ape [uniquely..*WAY BEYOND ..his poor GENES] i feel..that post alone corrects the confirmational-bias/error.. derived from conformational bias..[our discussion..next evolved into this topic]..we so need scribes to properly digest the facts..and give proof i..go top read the..darn article but post limits..make for fewer edits http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0 http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257#269560 Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 2:00:41 PM
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David F. is Correct:
Humans are not genetically programmed to seek a meaning: humans are programmed like any other animal, to survive and multiply. Yes, even to use violence if necessary to achieve those goals. If we want to find a meaning and self-realisation, we need to overcome the genetic programming of our bodies, not to abide by it. --- As for the article: What is the measure of a human being? its length in centimetres, its weight in kilograms, the strength of its muscles, the number of neurons in its brain, etc. Therapy does not create self awareness: all it can do is to change unpleasant feelings into more pleasant ones. <<Imagine, then, a planet populated by powerfully Self-aware individuals who live in harmony with themselves, with others and with nature.>> That's only the author's dream: other than exceptional individuals who may be born especially and solely to help others, why would self-aware individuals wish to live on a planet in the first place? The world is populated by those who have not yet arrived at self-realisation (which is the same as God-realisation), who instead believe that they are a body, so that they may use their bodily experiences to learn, especially from their unpleasant experiences. Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 25 October 2013 2:45:35 PM
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<<..What is the measure of a human being?>>
there..is no measure..[apart from] ..what we gave..our life-energies..to..doing..[of need or want] [ie the..good or..ill..we chose to do..[as opposed to that we wished..or planned to d we have..completely free-will but..not freedom..to act..[if it hurts..others][or yourself] the error..of the question..was limiting it..to measure [we arnt equal..[we each..got..our own/face.. own dna/[own unique voice print..unique smell. [and we all..taste different]..we got.our own.finger prints..[own handwriting style..own inner voice..own baggage..own face..own..mannerisms..own fears. we are each unique* <<..Is it..their wealth?..>> our wealth..is..this life-GIFT* [the miracle..of our creation[you..as a sperm..won/the race..to live your..so unique..god decided to bless..man*kind..with..the gift..[or grift]..of you you really are..one in a million <<..Their wisdom?..>> even..a fool..can learn..if he wants but..a fool can learn nothing..but his want just..as nothing..much..is learned..from a fool but..a wiseman..can learn..even..from the fool the fool..learns from..no-one [or..rather..by..doing alone[life-experiences] thats why..we are here..to help the fools..learn..;] without them/then..thinking..they are studying/learning..anything..beyond what..interests..them this material-life..is about..awakening our passions we were..created from..light and..refined by life-passions..fire [we..been..resisting.the smoke..and mirrors..[clones/drones/cyclones]]..ever since <<..Their spirituality?>> understand..our life spirit..comes into..us and..is within..us..thats why we live.. what we do..as our lifes experience[works/words/thoughts passions ego etc/ THAT BUILDS our..soul-[after..life-body] that then too..is sustained..its life.. by gods wholly-spirit.animating us..all/our life process you claim genes.. but god switches on..[activates]..all the physio-logical-process [if not explain..how you tell;;your cells to divide..or make thy heart..to beat? god sustains..us our life....to live..of freewill allows us.to/do as thy will..to reveal our lifes p.assions KNOWING..the end result..returns back..to him..[set it/free-principle..[in life..we all are..that long lost son..we know..will/soon..come-home. [thats how..god[in-time]..welcomes us all [once we try to do..as we..saw jesus..DO*.. [ie love god..by loving other] who..is not.thy brother? are we all..not..created equally..of woman [sustained our very life..of the same..all living all..loving good father..[god] TOGETHER..we are..the living mortal-heirs.. of our..immortal/infinite omnipresent..important-[impotent]..father..of all creation <<Is it something..that can..be measured..from the outside?> how can..we..measure material-mortal..external when the eternal..immortal..lies within..all? why measure..the infinite live it.. <<What if..it is something else..altogether?>> i enjoy..your questions but..last post <<Each human being..is genetically programmed>>to fill-in our own.page..in the book..of gods creations/lives [we each hold..the personal-witness..of our life experiences [works],,of the days..of our lives..gifted..of..the infinite good..[god] love ya bro..any come back? Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 October 2013 3:13:22 PM
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Each human being is genetically programmed to be part of a self protecting group, Robert Summers. They are genetically programmed to seek a territory and defend that territory and the members of their group against all comers, both two legged and four legged. Members of self protecting groups are prepared to use violence to protect themselves and their territory.
No amount of fairy land thinking can change that. You are thinking like a person with a full belly who has never had to fight to eat and who has led an entirely sheltered and protected life where you think that prosperity is a natural law of nature. It is not. The prosperity which western nations enjoy is unprecedented in human history and you are taking it for granted. You are inventing a philosophy which is only applicable to a Camelot land of endless and unchanging wealth. Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 26 October 2013 5:40:51 AM
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The worst thing about this sort of claptrap is that it is usually funded by taxpayers with lower incomes than the navel gazer, & mortgages to pay.
If some people want to waste their lives in some vain chase after some concocted theory, that is fine. However they have no right to call it research, & expect to be funded by the long suffering taxpayer to do it. Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 26 October 2013 11:10:13 AM
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Religion and New Age both thrive on fairy tales. Grow up! Recognising reality might not be as much fun, but it is healthier.
Posted by david f, Saturday, 26 October 2013 12:08:24 PM
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…Most people would fall into line behind the dictates of the serving Government, on all aspects of law. Robert Burrowes disbelieves in this norm when confronted by the tax law, choosing instead to dedicate that portion of taxation directly to causes (National and International) that serve peaceful endeavour : One must admire his dedication to the cause of peace, as fanciful as it appears to the casual observer.
…Mr Burrows is no coward. His is a dedicated life intent on serving his short time on Earth in the pursuit of the preservation of civilisation through nonviolent protest to war: A pacifist of true colour and a man putting, in all honesty, his "Money Where his Mouth is"! Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 27 October 2013 12:14:47 PM
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The above is an assertion for which the author has offered not one scintilla of evidence. I have accepted that there is no meaning in life beyond the living of it. In the living of it one may find great joy. One can appreciate food, sex, art, science or creation in different areas. The author has built an edifice of theory on a base of sand.
If we are genetically programmed in any way there should be evidence to substantiate the claim. I know of none, and the author has presented none.
As far as Gandhaian non-violence goes it has worked in some circumstances and can be applied to create a more peaceful world. However being genetically programmed is a scientific claim and should be based on verifiable evidence.