"When they actually come up with climate models that can correctly predict the past, let alone the future, will be time for anyone to take them seriously," says Jardine, one of the Kings of the Flat Earthers along with Runner, Individual, Hasbeen, Neverhasbeen, Fruit Loop Stupe, etc.

Correctly predicting the past must be a new science. It is especially important for people who look backwards. I mean, no one wants to be shocked by something that happened in the past just coming out of the blue, do they?

People who wear Alfoil Hats don't want to get a heart attacks from suddenly hearing about the Great Flood, do they, especially if they can't swim? And what about the Great Plague? We need to know when that will happen in the past, don't we, so we can get prepared with lots of aspirin and hot water bottles?

Yeah, OLO is a great forum. It attracts all the great minds!

And quite a few Lesser Minds!

Psychologists and Comedians becoming climate experts is a real worry. Its even more of a concern that no-one questions their ability to make judgements about issues of science they know nothing about.

Lets hope they don't start having opinions on the possibility of the presence of subnuclear particles or whether or not Pluto should be called a planet. If science is worried about its image it should look carefully at who is representing it in the public gaze.

Parrot,

Trust you to try and nit pick one irrelevant factoid and try and make it the main issue.

Whether the man was fined $20k, $50k or $100k for taking rational action to protect his family and property, the point is that he was punished for doing the right thing simply because of stupid laws put in place by city based morons that value their ideals more than human life.

That this man's house was just about the only one standing is proof that these regulations are idiotic, and the moronic greens that pushed this through should be horse whipped.

We wouldn't be as argumentative about the adverse
impacts of climate change if we had the appropriate
scientific understanding, if we had the necessary tools,
and if we were marshalling them to solve the problems.

Instead we're politicising the issues and
allowing the threats to mount up without
fashioning the appropriate tools and seeking real solutions.

We need tools of persuasion, the right
incentives, and (where necessary) strict laws.

Bush fires are real - they're not about to disappear any time
soon, and if there is the likelihood of
hotter and prolonged conditions continuing in this country
as experts are predicting then certainly ignoring these
predictions would be irresponsible

Foxy my sweet, we have spent tens of billions, yes billions, of public money trying to prove that CO2 is a dangerous gas. If there was any evidence at all, that amount of research should have found it.

The mere fact that the IPCC was set up to prove CO2 was heating the world, & not to research if it could or was, should give you a clue to what has been going on.

They have tried tipping points, positive feedback, they even launched 3000 Argo temperature sensing buoys to try to find some heat that had snuck past them, & hidden in the ocean. They didn't, but still talk about it hopefully.

The best they could do was find less than a degree per doubling of CO2 air content, diminishing as percentages increased. To do this they have to ignore the negative feed back now proven for the increased clouds warming would generate. In fact for years they were pinning their hopes for catastrophe on positive feedback from clouds.

The wheels are falling off their gravy train all over the place. Time now for you to recognize you have been had, just like we all were at first. Time to get angry, & go get these conmen, that have put their careers above the public good. Time to help get them, not protect them.

Lego,
Could you post a link to the Tele article and any others that you have on Bender, the court case etc., please?

"The man refused, and the matter went to court. You guessed it, the predicted bushfire erupted while the matter was still in court and every house on the street was destroyed except our brickie mate. The "Daily Telegraph" newspaper reported that fire officials were very interested in how the wall did exactly as planned and protected the house, and they suggested that the brickie's idea should be part of the building code for all new houses in that situation.