still the most dangerous place on earth is inside a mother's womb. Until the barbarity of this murder is dealt with all other violence fades into insignificance.

I can't believe it. Yuyutsu, you have done it again, that is make a really stupid comment.
You assert that humanity will not survive. Either we go today or in the distant future. And then you ask does it matter.
May I assume that you do not have children? or grandchildren? Yes, it does matter. It matters a great deal. Have a child. Invest in the future. Watch that child have children. You will see what I mean.
We may not have much of a say about the approaching red giant, but we do have a say about most of the rest of it.

My plan is to sue the fossil companies for stuffing up the planet. This should cost them so much, that we will have enough money, to build an interstellar space ship to take to everybody to a new planet, where we can start the process of stuffing up the place all over again.

Isn't it wonderful.
So many intelligent unselfish people and so many positive contributions!
And all so wonderfully agreeable and ready to cooperate for the greater good! A bit like Gandhi really, aren't they?
Think, with so many positive people, blessed with so much common courtesy and costless civility, making such positive contributions, how can we not survive!?
Sainthood beckons surely?
Rhrosty.

Dear Halduell,

Having children as a way to "save" humanity is like the ostrich burying her head in the sand. In fact it increases the chances that humanity will end sooner rather than later by exhausting its natural resources earlier.

You and others justify that it matters to you, a great deal in fact, that your progeny will go on, despite the fact that so many wars have been (and will probably continue to be) fought over that matter. What you fail to realise is that the driving-force behind that desire to see your progeny succeed are your genes, whom you follow slavishly, not yourself, that it is only out of weakness of character that you allow them to take the driver's seat. Those genes do not care for you, they act selfishly to propagate their own, then they laugh at you behind your back for giving them such a joy-ride, sacrificing most of your life for their sake, at times even killing others for their pervert ambitions.

Yes, I have made a stupid comment recently, out of that same weakness above. It's not something I'm proud of, yet how about yourself? Suppose you were in a similar situation where all your children/grandchildren lived in Israel (and wouldn't agree to live anywhere else), would you not then support Israel having nukes if it was evidently clear that this was the only way to keep your family alive?

runner, good point about abortion. I bet most of these "great" signators support this violence-on-demand.

Yuyutsu, I am so sick of the anthropomorphising of genes, as if they can think or desire anything!

This belittling portrayal of humans is a misanthropic invention of the same people who preach against "racism".

They don't want "peoples" (especially "White" ones) to exist, so present the natural bond of kinship as robotic slavery.

Robert Burrowes "denials of reality"?

And signing a pledge will solve everything?

The people to fear though are those that (a) would never sign it, or (b) sign it and then contradict it (like Hitler's non-aggression pact)

To have a world without violence, you would need a world without *passion*.

While people feel attachments and revulsions to ideas, people and places, there will be those whose passion is excessive.

One way to increase the likelihood of violence is to mix together as many different types of people (and their variant passions) as possible, exactly what Western immigration policies are doing.

Yes, "humanity" will survive, no matter what.
Particular places and peoples may not.

Disappearing peoples are nothing new.
Where are the Romans now? The Goths?
They're gone, but their descendents live on as "Italians" and "Germans".

Will "Australians" as we know them survive?
Even the calmest weather won't protect us, if we keep the mix-and-match immigration train running.
Bridge out, full steam ahead.