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New Australian leader gives hope to conservatives everywhere : Comments

By Walter Lohman, published 11/9/2013

Abbott explicitly identified himself and his party with Heritage's support for free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional values, and a strong national defence.

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"Traditional values" 101:
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel21.html
Plus Google
Columbus & Other Cannibals by Jack Forbes
American Holocaust by David Stannard
God Is Red & Custer Died For Your Sins by Vine Deloria Jnr.
And the entire http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com website.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 8:23:13 AM
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PS: The Heritage (lies,lies and more lies) Foundation is of course a highly influential propaganda factory for the Universal Death Machine that now rules the entire planet.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 8:40:23 AM
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The American Exceptionalism claim for Abbott was rather strange.

What evidence is there for the exceptionalism and in what way is that country exceptional? The USA is a country endowed with some exceptional natural benefits, such as vast areas of exceptional agricultural land and minerals. But, that is about it!

In a 2011 study of the well-being enjoyed by the populations of the 31 OECD countries the USA rated 27th, only ahead of Greece, Chile, Mexico and Turkey. Great company. The top six were Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and The Netherlands, all countries of rather low religiosity and substantially lower inequality than the USA.
Australia did not rate all that well at 21st, well behind Canada (9th), NZ (12th), and the UK (15th). What in Abbott's policies will improve our relative position?

The New York Times was so perturbed by the study that it published the information in a graphic table on 28th October 2011.
The NYT article included;

"We sold ourselves a pipe dream that everyone could get rich and no one would get hurt — a pipe dream that exploded like a pipe bomb when the already-rich grabbed for all the gold; when they used their fortunes to influence government and gain favours and protection; when everyone else was left to scrounge around their ankles in hopes that a few coins would fall"

See;
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/opinion/blow-americas-exploding-pipe-dream.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212
http://www.sgi-network.org/pdf/SGI11_Social_Justice_OECD.pdf
Posted by Foyle, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 8:43:44 AM
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David Leyonhjelm stated people in South Western Sydney, where I live with my children, should be armed so the "bad guys" don't know whose armed and whose not. This is the most frightening statement I have ever heard. The spate of shooting in SW Sydney are between criminal bike gangs. It's a turf war! Why bring the general public into it? We're not involved! Why make us targets? Trial this dangerous and morionic proposal in the Northern Suburbs, let them shoot each other, leave us out of it.Our local communities are stiving for harmony and succeeding. I've met people who have survived being shot and the psychological trauma they suffer is horrendous. People always count the dead, they never look at the effect shootings have on the survivors. Is Mr Leyonhjelm willing to fight for money for mental health services to cope with the impact of death, injury and misery that will follow if such a nasty proposal gets off the ground.
Posted by sallthom, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 9:01:16 AM
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Abbott brings hope to conservatives across the word? Surely that must presage the end of the Conservative Ideology and about time.

Abbott must be the most uninspiring leader the world has ever seen. He would be at home running a bicycle repair shop or a gym!

Perhaps he is a nice man but, in a crowd of three he wouldn't be noticed! I mean, Obama, the world's greatest liar and warmonger was at least an orator.

What is Abbott's strong suit: his budgie-smuggler outfit?
Posted by David G, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 9:58:09 AM
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The Tories and Republicans are too closely associated with the wealthy elite, extricate the greed from those parties and they will too know real victory, not just some disastrous big business-libertine hybrid that can only cause damage...they need to offer good people a party to vote for.
Posted by progressive pat, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 9:59:38 AM
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Thank goodness. After six very long years of the worst federal government Australia has had.

Why is Labor so incompetent ant managing what is important: Foreign Affairs, Trade and diplomacy, Defence and security and the economy?

And why do they elect such nasty and divisive people? Is it because you have to succeed in the union movement to be selected by Labor to be a labor parliamentarian?

And why does Labor seem to appoint some of its nastiest and most divisive people to be its leaders: e.g. Keating, Latham, Rudd, Gillard and Rudd again?

And now they are thinking of promoting one of two nasty, divisive parliamentarians to be its new leader?

I guess we can look forward to a decade or two of Labor's relentless negativity in Opposition - a rerun of the relentless negative of labor in Opposition during the Howard years.
Posted by Peter Lang, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:45:28 AM
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Wow, what a bunch of responses.

The duck doesn't give an opinion, just a list of book titles cy a bunch of twits.

Foyle quotes some study by god knows who, except it would be by a rank leftie.

Sallthom demands the population should be unarmed & helpless, with no defense against criminals or a bad government.

David G must have been sucking on some of Marilyn's lemons, he is totally against sensible conservative values, but hates Obama, the arch leftie.

And progressive pat appears to want the tooth fairy. He must be a green.

No wonder sensible people stick to the 2 majors. They might be far from perfect, but imagine if these kooks ever got some power, a really frightening prospect.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:53:08 AM
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Yep...and add to that; hopefully NOW it will be the end of the homosexual march across the battered landscape of society.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 11:29:51 AM
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It's going to be fun watching the right realise they voted in a polly and not Jesus.

By the support other parties got it's clear that Australian was voting Labour out rather then voting the Libs in, But why would the far right star using facts now?
Posted by Cobber the hound, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 1:17:21 PM
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In England and Canada Abbott would belong to groups like the BNP and the major parties would fight like hell to ever have him elected.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 2:34:00 PM
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It is not hard to see who of the above contributors voted labor. Equally it is not so hard to understand why their champions were so resoundingly dumped by tbe Australian public. The worst labour vote ever. And look at the collapse of the greens vote. They will do whatever to avoid a double disolution for that will wipe them and labour out.

Will the lefties never learn?
Posted by imajulianutter, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 3:43:45 PM
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Hasbeen,
You obviously jump to false conclusions rather readily. I included the links to both the actual study by a German research group and the New York Times visual summation.

I am always keen for people to have the actual information that is available so that they can assess the evidence for themselves.

Professor Bill Mitchell and the associates of the University of Missouri, Kansas City, take the same approach as I do. Modern Money Theory is based on empirical evidence and suggests that people should base their policy decisions on what the evidence indicates will happen if a specific policy is followed.

Anyone who makes an economic comment without having read the latest information disclosing of how money, tax, and economic performance are related is prone to talking through his or her hat.
Posted by Foyle, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 3:46:43 PM
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Tories and Republicans
progressive pat,
The ALP are the Tories of the new millennium & the Greens are the new Republicans.
The LNP is probably the closest party to what Labor used to stand for. My, how times change.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 4:42:37 PM
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how money, tax, and economic performance are related is prone to talking through his or her hat.
Foyle,
In other words it's all interlinked with con & corruption & no most people with integrity don't need to read up on that & get brainwashed. Decent people prefer earning money rather than steal.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 4:46:17 PM
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As far as conservative politics goes, I would trust the Tea Party over the Heritage Foundation anyday.

At least the Tea Party is made up mainly of ordinary people who justifiably fear the sinister side of government control over our lives. While they spare little sympathy for the poor and vulnerable, they understand how the military-industrial-media complex keeps the US and its allies at permanent war - both with its official enemies and with its own people.

Conservative organisations like Heritage are made up of well-connected, born-to-rule, self-appointed neo-feudal princes who pro-actively use their government puppets to promote the neo-fascist control of every aspect of existence - both personal and public. They are proudly unadultered warmongers and wowser traditionalists, and will stop at nothing to ensure the rest of the world fits their very restrictive vision.

The Murdoch-Coalition (and, to be fair, some of the ALP) are card-carrying members of the kind of conservatism embodied by the Heritage Foundation. They've been plunging their tentacles into Australian culture and politics since the early 80s. Their takeover is just about complete.
Posted by Killarney, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 7:35:40 PM
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In context

Noting that Sydney is to grow by 2 million more people, means more traffic jams, more stress, poorer services ,increase in taxes/cost of living/housing, less bushland and farmland.

In addition it means a massive increase in debt , as everyone of us on average, is consuming more than we are producing.

It is a toxic design problem, with Australians “ asleep at the wheel”.

Last financial year, Australia sold $130 billion worth of assets overseas, masking our parlous financial state.
It is like selling the garage and the 2nd and 3rd bedroom of your house just to pay the bills but still borrowing on top .

Congratulations to the Population Stabilisation Party for their attempt to bring rationality back to politics and for responsibly
taking down their advertising so promptly.

Congratulations to Tony Abbott and I have hope, that he takes these facts into account, in his powerful decision making processes.

Best,
Ralph
Posted by Ralph Bennett, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 9:21:55 PM
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Foyle, you are telling me I should study the opinions of those who either gave us the GFC, or failed to see the GFC coming. I would be interested in reading the writings of anyone who predicted the GFC, otherwise I am inclined to think I'll get better information from my vet.

I have salvaged a couple of companies. one insolvent & one in receivership, both got there by the financial experts, to be salvaged by an engineer. So I'm sorry, my faith in experts is somewhat limited, particularly the type who write books, rather than practice.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 9:47:14 PM
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David G
I reckon it's the mamil outfit.

Peter Lang
Perhaps you should read how foreign media outlets (not News Corp or West media) with no reason for bias, reports about the worst federal government Australia has had.
I have a feeling you already know this worst government ever is internationally lauded for economic management, was held in high regard for it's diplomacy and you are just reciting LNP mantra like a child does a nursery rhyme.
How about you tell us what has happened to "the budget emergency" or perhaps "national crisis at our borders" or how about an easy one, tell me one detailed policy the LNP had/has "ready to roll out"
Yes mate that's right, some people actually research these things at don't just accept 3 word slogans and biased media headlines.
I have just done a bit of a search around and still can't find any detailed policies apart from the 2 bob NBN which is under review
The LNP has had 3 years to formulate policy and it would appear that they have been that caught up in their dummy spit over not forming government they forgot
If they were "fair dinkum" they would be recalling parliament immediately and getting on with dragging Australia back from the huge mess the country is in.

Ralph Bennett
I congratulate Tony et al on pulling the best political con job I have ever seen and I hope he starts rolling out his re branded Work Choices sooner rather than later
Posted by Phil R, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 10:35:23 PM
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his re branded Work Choices sooner rather than later
Phil R,
What exactly is so wrong with work choices ? I mean isn't it better to have an agreement up front between bosses & workers than have hangers-on union bludgers interfere & disrupt & ruin at every turn ? Only those who don't perform are the ones panicking, scared to death that they might have to pull their weight occasionally. How dare we expect them to earn their keep at times.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 12 September 2013 5:44:53 AM
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In England and Canada Abbott would belong to groups like the BNP
Marylin Shepherd,
Really ? Where would the likes of you be then ? Having to work for your keep perhaps instead of waiting for your undeserved & un-earned payments from the likes of the ALP Public Service crowd ?
Posted by individual, Thursday, 12 September 2013 5:47:39 PM
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Will the lefties never learn?
imajulianutter,
Going by the past four decades I can't see that being a possibility for several more decades yet.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 12 September 2013 6:05:27 PM
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'Last year, in a speech at The Heritage Foundation, Abbott explicitly identified himself and his party with Heritage's support for free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional values, and a strong national defense. And - shhh - he also supported the idea of "American exceptionalism."'

The Heritage Foundation is also about race but not too public... (sure Abbott was not aware):

'The co-author of the fantastical Heritage Foundation report that estimated immigration reform would cost taxpayers over $6 trillion dollars has questionable views on race as it relates to intelligence.

'Richwine’s dissertation asserts that there are deep-set differentials in intelligence between races. While it’s clear he thinks it is partly due to genetics — “the totality of the evidence suggests a genetic component to group differences in IQ” — he argues the most important thing is that the differences in group IQs are persistent, for whatever reason. He writes, “No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against.”'

http://bobcesca.thedailybanter.com/blog-archives/2013/05/nope-not-racist-at-all-7.html

Surprise surprise The Heritage Foundation is also linked to the John Tanton Network (who are linked to Australian politicians on the left, and Cory Bernardi via ALEC):

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/05/15/once-again-white-nationalists-sully-immigration-debate/

It's no coincidence that Sustainable Population Australia SPA is connected to John Tanton, and his journal The Social Contract Press with other contributors such as, in Bob Carr's words, "Australia's best demographer", guess who?
Posted by Andras Smith, Sunday, 15 September 2013 12:56:39 AM
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