Philip Machanick,

You did NOT answer the question.

Your statement was : <<Asylum seekers are not granted asylum in Australia without hard proof that they are in danger if they return home >>
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15265#263803

My question was: “What <<HARD PROOF>> were you talking about?

You attempted to side step it by presenting a series of links – none of which address your claim.

To go through those links:
Link 1 [from Yahoo] re ONE Afghani retrunee
Link 2 [ABC PM] re a small number of returnees
Link 3 [The Aust News Network] re The Sri Lankan FM disputing asylum seekers claims
Link 4 [Refugee Action Coalition] a puff piece from a lobby group.
Link 5[The Australian]re possible deportation of small group.

At best, your links relate to only a small number of rejectees.
The fact that we have rejected a small minority does not establish that the huge majority we accepted provided <<HARD PROOF>>

Since you cannot answer my question, let me answer it for you.

The vast majority of "asylum seekers" DO NOT present <<HARD PROOF>>
--They might have a mobile phone --but they have conveniently lost their papers/ID.
--They tell the same generic, rote learnt story (similar to the one you fed Loudmouth earlier in this thread)
--And as long as the names they give us don't appear on any wanted list they get given the benefit of the doubt and rubber stamped "found to be genuine".

And that is why we are such a popular destination: soft border controls, and not hard to get welfare for life.

SPQR,

Yada, yada, yada.

They're not genuine.

They're on welfare for life.

Talk about "hard proof".

If you say something often enough, it becomes true - you (obviousy) reckon.

Poirot,

<<They're not genuine>>

<<They're on welfare for life>>

If the SPQR-reality TV channnel with its daring exposés of current affairs and its incisive political analysis is too confronting --please resume your viewing of the Disney channel.

I believe the boat people will never accept our beliefs or traditions and will not rest until they have the numbers or power to change ours. Do you see a happy and successful assimilation at Lakemba?

Hi Siller

I live 4 kilometres from Lakemba and I play "spot the Aussie" every time I drive through there. The Muslims moved in, and the Aussies and the Asians moved out. This phenomenon is known as "white flight" in the USA. Detroit, Michigan, is a shining example of what happens to a productive community when the welfare dependent and crime prone minorities move in, vote for high welfare advocating politicians, and the productive move out.

Lakemba and Auburn are part of what the NSW Police call "The Gaza Striip" because of the endless shootings involving drug trafficking, sectarian and ethnic hostilities, and "family feuds." But Poirot doesn't care about her own people or her own society, all she cares about is her own self image as a generous and caring person. Her country is becoming more and more unsafe but Poirot will stick her fingers in her ears and avert her eyes, because she does not want to see or hear what she does not want to know.

The importation of "refugees" into Australia has been a social and financial catastrophe for the Australian people. The Vietnamese ghetto of Cabramatta is the heroin capitol of Australia. The importation of Lebanese into Sydney after the Lebanese civil war sent crime rates in Sydney through the roof. NSW has not only built four new prisons in the last twenty years, we had to reopen two ancient ones (Parramatta and Berrima) to take the overflow.

Please note, in multicultural Lebanon they all start shoting at each other and we have to feel sorry for both sides. We must then allow both sides become 'asylum seekers" where they continue their war in Australia, except that this time they include Australians in their targets to be robbed, raped and murdered.

Meanwhile, Poirot and Lexi are living in some leafy middle class suburb, as far away from "refugees" as they can get. And they are both down in the garden, dancing with the fairies.

LEGO, I live in Mt Gravatt in Brisbane. Around me there are lots of students, many of them Muslim from Malaysia and other places. They are fantastic people and many of them are looking to settle down here. It's also not far from Kuraby, where Brisbane's main mosque is located and where there is a large Muslim population in the surrounding suburbs. As well, it's close to Sunnybank, which is the commercial heart of the Asian community-"China town" in the Valley is just a marketing tool, sunnybank is the real "China Town", along with Darra and Inala at the less up-market end of the scale. It's right alongside the Muslim precincts I spoke of above and everyone seems to get on fine, even if there aren't as many white faces as you might prefer.

Some of the nicest people I have ever met are Muslim, while some of the most egregiously despicable call themselves Christian and caucasian

I'm afraid you're speaking through a part of your body that isn't meant to be exposed to public view.

Multiculturalism is simply a recognition that we are all in the same boat. We all want to belong, we all want to have a fair shot at life, we all want to express ourselves, we all need to be fed and clothed and loved.

The cultures that we live in are just a way of making that possible, or in some cases, such as the awful US model of corporatist culture that has dominated the world for the last 40 years, of making it impossible to do it and remain truly human.

What the hell do you care how the family next door prefers to justify their existence? All you need to know is that they love their kids just like you do, they mow their lawn just like I don't do and they want to be friends with friendly people.