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Australia and xenophobia : Comments

By Philip Machanick, published 25/7/2013

What are the facts on 'push' and 'pull' factors for asylum seeker arrivals.

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Dear Seraphic Lord,

I don't think that race should be relevant to immigration at all. Australia has abandoned the White Australia policy, and I don't think it should be brought back in any way.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 28 July 2013 1:38:24 PM
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David F,
I fear you may be mistaking me as a 'supremacist' of sorts, as that's the only feasible explanation as to why you've intrinsically blurted out the White Australia Policy - as if some defensive ploy in reaction to the very mention of race - when I never mentioned anything to with the fossilized act.

And now, I must ask you why race shouldn't be relevant? If it wasn't, there sure wouldn't be any discussion going on about 'Australia and xenophobia'
Posted by Seraphic Lord, Sunday, 28 July 2013 2:41:40 PM
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Dear Seraphic Lord,

You wrote: "Hmm, might I say you are oblivious in discussing such a thing that has an omnipresent importance when dealing with immigration."

I don't see that it has an omnipresent or any importance. I can see no reason that it is relevant to immigration unless we are going back to some version of the White Australia policy.

There is a discussion going on because some think it is important. I think we can evaluate a person's qualities including education and character without bringing race into the matter.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 28 July 2013 2:58:57 PM
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Britain

"The majority of violent inner-city crime is committed by black men, police figures suggest. Police hold black men responsible for more than two-thirds of shootings and more than half of robberies and street crimes in London, according to figures released by Scotland Yard. It found that 67 per cent of those caught by police for gun crimes were black."

" But the statistics also show that black men are twice as likely to be victims of such crimes. The data, which provides the ethnicity of the 18,091 men and boys who police took action against in London during 2009-10, looked at both violent and sexual offences. "

USA

* between 2001 and 2003, blacks were 39 times more likely to commit violent crimes against whites than the reverse, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.”

* Between 2001 and 2003, blacks committed, on average, 15,400 black-on-white rapes per year, while whites averaged only 900 white-on-black rapes per year.

* “Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.”

* “Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.”

"Although African-Americans make-up about 13% of the American population, they are responsible for less than 2% of taxes. White Americans ( a group including Hispanic, native American, and Middle Easterners) are responsible for well over 97% of the tax base. In other words, White American workers "pay" for the housing, education, clothes, medicine, medical treatment, transportation, and entertainment costs of 40% of African-Americans."

Australia.

VICTORIAN police are being urged to set up a special taskforce to tackle gang violence and lawlessness among young African migrants living in Melbourne's inner-city housing commission estates. The push - led by rank-and-file police and terrified neighbours - is backed by the state's powerful police union, which claims sections of the African community need to be "properly educated" in Australian values
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 28 July 2013 7:53:10 PM
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SPQR: http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/61protection.htm – the critical wording is that they do not want to return home “due to a well-founded fear of being persecuted”.

Evidence that the government is not soft on this requirement:
http://news.yahoo.com/australia-deport-1st-rejected-afghan-refugee-045533846.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-12/afghan-letters/4568656
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-25/sri-lankan-foreign-minister-disputes-refugee-claims/4777790
http://www.refugeeaction.org.au/?page_id=2076
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/hazaras-despair-home-and-away/story-e6frg6so-1226161600278

More reading here: http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/AsylumFacts

LEGO: keep up the “Critical analysis and objective thinking”. Your arguments are a heady mix of rejecting elitism and embracing it. I’m not sure though that it’s the “peasants” who are “revolting”.
Posted by PhilipM, Monday, 29 July 2013 1:29:10 AM
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People who are unable to think objectively like you, Phillip M, seem to believe that the solution to human hostility is to create multicultural societies where everybody is going to hold hands and sing "Kumbaya". People who can think objectively like myself, look at existing multicultural societies like Lebanon, Fiji, Cyprus, Georgia, Afghanistan, Biafra, Rhodesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Liberia, Kashmir, Punjab, Sudan, Nigeria, Bougainville, East Timor, Yugoslavia, Kurdistan, New Zealand, Bhutan, Angola, Burma, Chechnya, Guadalcanal, Aden, Malaya, Oman, Congo, Northern Ireland, Palestine/Israel, Czechoslovakia, Mexico, and recently, Thailand, an say that objectively, such a premise is obviously a delusion.

People like yourself subjectively say that all races are equal. Therefore there is no problem importing people of different races, religions or ethnicities into European societies. But objective reality tells a different story. Certain races, religions and ethnicities are very disproportionately represented in welfare dependency and criminal behaviour. Taking a more discriminatory approach to immigration is therefore essential to maintaining racial harmony, social cohesion, economic success, and a low crime rate.

I find it difficult to understand how a person like yourself can simply ignore the facts in order to promote a humanitarian ideology which has failed everywhere. Even with the examples of Europe and the USA now failing economically under the weight of welfare dependency and ethnic criminal behaviour, you stubbornly continue with your three monkey approach to critical thinking.

One definition of "insanity" is, making the same mistake, over and over again.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 29 July 2013 5:40:39 AM
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