Thanks for the compliment Poirot, I think you've got an excellent mind too. The thing is, Ockham's Razor is a fine tool for cutting logical stubble, but it's prone to getting clogged with ontological shavings.

Wilson's cosilient hot towel seems like a good way to open the pores and let Singer's rhetorical aftershave do its job with a minumum of burning.

Of course, all of that probably has hairs on it. What would I know, I'm just sitting here stroking my beard?

poirot.s..quote re falling

reminded me we are all falling into the sun
so falling..is relative..to which force is attracting us or repelling

noting science cant explain..'gravity'
but by limited generalities

noted
this on the way to a suitable reference..to quote

<<Acceleration relative to the rotating Earth

The acceleration measured on the rotating surface of the Earth
is not quite the same as the acceleration that is measured for a free-falling body because of the centripetal force.

In other words, the apparent acceleration in the rotating frame of reference is the total gravity vector minus a small vector toward the north-south axis of the Earth, corresponding to staying stationary in that frame of reference.>>

thus..in the frame of reference..
[that we all are*..falling]

<<..Earth is in freefall as it orbits the Sun, and the astronauts are in freefall as they orbit the Earth. That's what an orbit is;SEEMINGLY... a never ending freefall.

The reason for the weightlessness
is that your perceived weight is equal to
W = m*(g - a)
where W is your weight, m is your mass,
g is gravity, and a is your acceleration.

When you are in freefall, your acceleration (a) exactly matches gravity (g), so g = a. That mean g - a = 0, so your weight is zero.

Standing on the ground, however, your acceleration is zero, while g is still large. Therefore, your weight on the ground is:
W = m*(g - 0)
W = m*g...>>

funny enough that reply didnt get best answer
but thats why i dislike yahhoo answers..many are there for who knows what
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090419131606AAFO84W

i keep forgetting to mention..a key insight i had while reading
the kids science books..re gas pressure in a container..they said something like particles released under heat..banging on the sides cause..'pressure'

,my theory its..the interaction..of the orbiting electrons/etc
forcing trhe outer electrons intoever lower orbits..as more gas molicules get forced into ever smaller space

tillin time all orbits are as low as they can go
and the gas is FORCED into the liquid stage..release the pressure..[ie release the forced orbit interference]..and they return to the orbit that classifies them as gas

my visualization given me from my guides..at thye time
was like the planets..plus the sun..equating to a single gas molicule..[electrons plus atom..being forced together..

the outer orbiting 'planets'..[electrons]..etc
are forced into lower orbits..changing their state..from gas into liquid etc

further..re the falling issue...its not as much that we are falling into the center of the earth,,but that the dust that fell before us..prevents uis falling further

gravity [to me]..is a clogged MICRO-blackhole
that despite having its throat clogged..yet has the attraction to matter to act as gravity indeed acts..

[micro/black-holes..thus sit at the center..of all larger gravitational actives..such as planets/sun's....

with things like meteorites
merely having the attraction 'power'..of its mass

its often difficult to interpretate
the mind pictures..spirit uses for input's..direct into our minds
whether they be true or false is for us..to judge..

as demons as much as angels feed us these clues..
that support their belief*..

[BUT..just because we/them..believe it
*dont mean its so..spirit is just as fallible..as we are..

as much wrong as we are..
but like minds..linkup..[for good or ill]..that is fact*
thus trusting infallibility in spirit..*is just as fraught by error as we in this material realm..are

[as we continue falling into the sun..
[ie hell][its the vile passions..that are prime cause of life]

it evil..thus has its good karma..

but for the need...to utilize safely....our evil passion..
there would be no sun..no light..no life ..int his realm

[to a 45%..surety]

Antiseptic,

>>‘The ongoing fragmentation of knowledge and resulting chaos in philosophy are not reflections of the real world but artifacts of scholarship.’<<

Well provided “artifacts of scholarship” means the obvious: today no one person can embrace all available knowledge, be an absolute polymath.

“We are entering a new era of existentialism ... that only unified learning, universally shared, makes accurate foresight and wise choice possible” (p. 332). EO Wilson obviously doesn’t advocate or expect a return to (human) absolute polymaths, but it is not clear (to me) what he means by “unified learning, universally shared”. By whom?

“Consilience is the key to unification … The belief in the possibility of consilience beyond science and across the great branches of learning … is a metaphysical worldview … Its best support is no more than an extrapolation of the consistent past success of the natural sciences … Given that human action comprises events of physical causation, why should the social sciences and humanities be impervious to consilience with the natural science (pp. 6-9).

Admittedly, this is a selective quoting, but as its stand it seems to be just a weak form of (c.f. “belief in the possibility of”) what is normally known as the materialist or naturalist worldview. Why an extra name for it?

Poirot,

>>I love the "simplicity" behind the story of Einstein coming up with the germ of General Relativity<<

Another one concerns Newton pondering the falling apple. Unfortunately, with quantum mechanics we have no such single moment of “simplicity” only a chain of perplexities connected with a theory that works but we don’t know why. Hence the need “to tie ourselves up in knots with complexity” when wanting to understand reality.

david f,
>>Number theory is a pleasure that can be enjoyed by atheists, religionists, poor and rich.<<
This is true about many things, including other parts of mathematics.

George,

I'm not so sure there won't be a moment of "simplicity" when everything falls into place in a thought on quantum physics. A lot of things had to come together in both Einstein and Darwin for their thought to "crystallize"

For instance, Einstein had to turn an assumption on its head to form his theory of gravitation. He made the leap when he realised that the person falling is the one whose body is "not" feeling the effect of gravity - and that the person sitting watching him is.

That gravity and acceleration are two sides of the same coin.

The person attached to the earth is accelerating and therefore feeling gravity - and the person who is falling through space (in earth's atmosphere) is not. (ignoring for a moment an absolute vaccuum)

I love this other quote by Einstein, which gives a clue to how these things are first encountered in thought form.

"If, at first, the idea is not absurd. Then there is no hope for it."

poirot..<<..I'm not so sure there won't be a moment of "simplicity" when everything falls into place..in a thought on quantum physics.

when i was studying alternate energy forms
from a gas that implodes..rather than explodes..[the joe fuel cell]..i came across a gif

that showed an electron that moved in the form of the figure 8..[basically the electron.,..wasnt spinning..around the atom..but partially around alternate poles..in a shape resembling an 8..or a vertical eternity symbol

thus in affect appearing to be in two places..
virtually at the same time..much like some quantum reporting ..that reports a quark>..?.. to both be there..yet not be there..at the same time.

but few would care
even fewer think it worthy of further thought

..the affect could be studied further..
except science peers dont like free energy..

so its unlikely any eurika moment..would be allowed
even if some fool..was allowed to report on it

much like the increase..of 240%..in thyroid cancer
http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayinhealth/why-thyroid-cancer-fastest-rising-cancer-women

most assuredly ..not*..caused by iodine deficiency
nor by dosing ..low thyroid healthy persons..with iodine supplements..nor because of a deemed too low thyroid activity..*so our science peers..will authoritatively deny.

we live in satans realm
but satanists ..well..*they lie..go figure