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Is being a scientist compatible with believing in God? : Comments
By George Virsik, published 19/7/2013Conflicts arise only when religion is seen as ersatz-science and/or science as ersatz-religion.
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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 18 October 2013 3:12:04 AM
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we all..will see
freewill..aint free [by me] ok we.know..that..free=no-cost? so..the will..is free..has lost..its cost? Will..[wont-Negative] Change..the sentences..below to/the..negative. Use/the...short-form..won't. Example: I'll..see you..tomorrow. I won't..see you..tomorrow. You..cannot..modify.."can" with..the..auxiliary/modal.."will" When."can"..refers..to permission,..possibility,..or suggestion, the..Future..is "can"..+..future/time-adverb,.. so..that..it's..clear..you mean..in..the.."future" Ex:..You..can go..to the.. I..can..help..you You..can read..a book YOU..WILL..go I..WILL..help you wont..read the book YOU..will..read..the book you will..to..read the book you read..of your own..freewill how..do..we know..our own*..will? is by..our own..freewill..or just..willful-choosing..? will•ful adj. 1...deliberate/voluntary,..or intentional:..willful desertion. 2...unreasonably/stubborn..or headstrong;..perversely obstinate. willful•ly, adverb. willful•ness, noun. synonyms:..willful/headstrong/perverse/wayward refer to..a person..who stubbornly persists..in doing..as he..or she pleases..willful implies..opposition..to those..whose wishes/suggestions..or commands/ought to/be..respected..or obeyed: a willful son..who ignored..his parents' advice. headstrong is used in a similar way.. but implies foolish and sometimes..reckless behavior: perverse implies..stubborn persistence in opposing..what is right..or acceptable, often with/the express..intention..of being..contrary or disagreeable:..taking a perverse/delight..in arguing with others. wayward..suggests stubborn..disobedience that gets one into trouble: .will•ing adj. 1...disposed..or consenting;..inclined:..willing to/go..along. 2...cheerfully-consenting..or ready:..a willing/worker. 3...done/given,..borne/used,..etc.,..with cheerful readiness. willing•ly, adverb. willing•ness, noun. Thesaurus Legend: Synonyms..Related/Words..Antonyms Noun..willing - the act*..of making..a choice willing - the act of,,"followed..my father..of my-own volition" volition/selection,choice,option,pick the act..of choosing..or selecting;[selective.. intention..an act of intending;[selectivity.. a volition..that..you intend..to carry..over/out; "my intention..changed..once I saw..her..?" Adj...willing disposed..or inclined..toward;.. "a willing..participant";.."willing helpers" compliant..disposed to..or willing..to comply; "children..compliant..with..the parental will" inclined - (often followed..by `to') having..a preference,..disposition..or tendency; he.."wasn't inclined..to believe the excuse";..is.."inclined..to be moody" voluntary - of your..own free will..or design[plan]; that..done..by choice;..not forced..by chance..or compelled; "man is..a voluntary*agent";.."participation.;.was voluntary";"a voluntary confession" #unwilling not disposed..or inclined toward; "an unwilling..assistant";.."unwilling..to face/facts" 2. willing..not brought..about by coercion..or force #willing - not brought about..by coercion or force; "the works..off his life..was uncoerced" un-coerced,-unforced #voluntary..by/of..your own*..free will or..that..done..by choice;..not forced..or compelled;>> $forced..so..FORCING OTHERS..TO..BE GOOD.. isnt of..freewill choice..is your..will..free..or willful? WERE YOU..willing? adjective 1...so inclined,..un-prepared,..un-happy, dis-pleased,..in-content,..in favour,..in-disposed consenting,..disposed, un-favorable,..dis-agreeable, in the..mood,..willful..wonderful..compliant,..amenable, desirous..of..or, so-minded..? willing for..nothing loath? or willing nothing..but loathing? There..are some questions.. which they..will not/be..willing to answer. dis-inclined..reluctant,..unwilling,..averse,..loath,.. [as opposed to.loathing..[adj]..not keen,disinclined,.indisposed 2...ready,..game..(informal),eager,..enthusiastic He had..plenty of willing..volunteers..here..to help him clear up..the freely..chosen..mess-age . but..found only the un-ready*/the ignnored reluctant,..un-willing,..be-grudging,..unenthusiastic so rolled the dice..and exercised..his freewill/free-choice..and..? Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 5:59:38 AM
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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/berkeley/
Berkeley..defends idealism by attacking..the materialist alternative. What exactly..is the doctrine..that he's.attacking? Readers..should first note..that..“materialism”..is here used/to mean.“the doctrine*..that material..things exist”. This..is..in contrast..with..another use, more standard..in contemporary-discussions,..according to which materialism..is the doctrine..that only material things ..exist. Berkeley/contends..that no material things..exist, not just..that some..*immaterial..things exist...Thus,..he attacks Cartesian..and Lockean dualism,..not just..the..view,..held by Hobbes,..that only material-things..exist. But..what exactly..is a material thing? Interestingly,..part of Berkeley's/attack..on matter..is to argue that..this question..cannot be satisfactorily/answered..by the materialists,..that they..cannot characterize..their supposed/material-things. However,..an answer..that captures..what exactly it is..that Berkeley rejects..is that .material things..are mind-independent..things..or [aetherial]..substances...[conviction-dependent..things] And..a mind-independent..*thing is..something..whose existence..is not dependent.;.on thinking/perceiving..external things,..and thus..would exist..whether or not..any thinking-things.(minds)..existed...*Berkeley holds..that there..are no such..mind-independent/things,..that,..in the famous phrase,..[esse est percipi (aut percipere)].. to be..is to be..perceived (or..to perceive). Berkeley..charges..that materialism..promotes skepticism..and atheism: skepticism..because materialism..implies..that our senses mislead us..as to the natures..of these material things,..which moreover..need not exist at all,..and atheism..because..a material world..could be expected..to run..without the assistance of God. This double/charge..provides Berkeley's motivation ..for questioning materialism..(one which..he thinks should motivate..others as well), though not,..of course,..a philosophical/argument..against materialism. Fortunately,..the Principles..and..Dialogues overflow..with such arguments... Below,..we will examine..some of the main elements of Berkeley's.. argumentative..campaign against..matter. BUT FIRST..*[a word..from..our loki* i thought..some limerick /sic& Lao Tsu..wrote a book on the Tao, That’s written to tell us just now, To avoid pain and pleasure, And live life at leisure, By chasing the Here and the how. There was a young man who said, “God! I find it exceedingly odd That the tree that I see Should just cease to be When there's no-one about..in the quad.” god replied Young man,..your astonishment's odd. I am always about..in the quad. And that's why the tree Will continue to be As observed by..me for thee Yours faithfully, God. I once read the Buddha had said, To all of the people he led, “If you want to go higher, Just end your desire, And make sure your ego is dead. # There once was a New England farmer’, Who heard of a thing..called the Dharma. His spiritual needs, Had planted the seeds, And he reaped a crop of good Karma! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE04WIB9V10&list=PLHQMwWIhNeqwYzbDmJuo-aczCcCnF80s0 Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 10:15:55 AM
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<<..If you persist..in reasoning
About what..cannot be understood, You..will be destroyed..By the very thing..you seek..>> as applied..to..which specific unkown? seems everyone..is..heading for the hills not even..putting forward.,.,that theyt claim..unknowable,..,how lame lets examine..which./.specifically..is not understood we get we got freewil..and using it reveals more about our-self..than..any other imputation [we get that heaven.. means total lack.,..of bad] we get that god[if he exist]..is pure/good/ENERGY we arte energy'/everything we see..is energy ENERGY>>CANT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED* what cvant you ..know? what is hidden..what..is not there underrstood yes thats a question why have you not got one? there..comes that time..beyond reasoning when you..know..that..*what at first seemed incomprehensible..confusing..disjointed..and just too silly yet..you learned..santa..is fraud.. jesus didnt die and Pinocchio..couldnt tell a lie [what..did you care for..as a boy chemistry/histry..science math English..,man..thats nnever going to be understood yet..now..regardless of ignorance long past..that confusing..at..first..has a perfect flow..[now you know] dont apply un-knowable knowns..as if truism upon..those as yet unknown..yet..uninformed quitters? Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 2:20:10 PM
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http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf
jesus..talking/continues..page48 When..you-are..afraid..of ANYTHING, you..are..acknowledging..[giving]..its power..to/be..hurtful..to you. Remember..that where..your*heart..[revelation]..is,.there i.. your treasure..also. This/means..that you..live..consciously..your believe.. [right..or..wrongly..in what..means/way/ta0..you VALUE... If you are AFRAID,..you are..VALUING/..[prioritization]...of these..material-things..is revealed..to be..WRONG. Human..understanding..will inevitably..value wrongness..that induces the fear of its passing[loss]..,and by..endowing..all human thoughts with/equal power,..whether/science/and..or fiction..these..will inevitably,,DESTROY..the realization..within..of lasting..peace. This..is why..the Bible.speaks of.“The-peace..of God which..PASSETH..[surpasses]..that of..(human)[materialistic]..understanding.” THIS..inner/peace..is totally/incapable of..being..shaken..by human errors..of any kind. It..denies the ability..of anything..which is not..of God..to effect you..in any way. This is..the PROPER/use..of denial. It is not/used..to HIDE-anything..but..it IS used..to/correct error. It...brings..ALL error..into the reason..revealed by the gnosis..revealed..by the light,.. and since error.,.and darkness..are the same,..it abolishes..[scatter's/shatters/disperses]..the darkness..of error automatically. True*..denial is..a very powerful protective device. You can..and..should deny..any..hurtful belief..that error..can hurt you...This kind of..denial.,is NOT/a..concealment device,..but a/correction..device. The..“Right Mind”set..of the..mentally/healthy..DEPENDS on it. You can-do..ANYTHING I ask...[via revelation]..I have..asked you..merely..to perform miracles,.. and..have made/it..VERY clear..that these..are.. yours..eternally..of gods personal nurture/NATURAL,nature ever-present..ever/supportive/every-loving..graceful;..self CORRECTIVE,.;giving..immediate-HEALING,..and the ever-present [gift]..eternal/omni-present/UNIVERSAL. There/is..nothing good..thee..cannot do. But..thee..worthy works../cannot be performed..in the/spirit..of doubt. Remember..my-own question,..before/you..ask yours..B recall..first/the context.. “Oh ye..of little-faith,..wherefore..[for why]..didsth thou DOUBT.” (this..a Reference..to Christ..and the..apostles walking..on water.[spirit) You..have asked..YOURSELVES..why you cannot..really..incorporate..comprehension..of my words (the/idea..of cannibalism*..in connection/with..the Sacrament..is a reflection..of..a distorted..view of..shareing. I told..you..before..that.the word..“thirst”..in connection with..the Spirit..[embodied..within..our soul]..was used..in the Bible...because..of the limited...understanding..of those..to whom I spoke. I..also told-you..NOT to use it. The sam.. holds for expressions..like “feeding on.”)..Symbiosis is misunderstood..by the mentally ill,..who use it/that way... But I also told..you..that you must/recognize..your total dependence.. on God,..a statement..which you did..not/like.but..holds true..to all living being.) God..and..the Souls..He created.;.ARE symbiotically..related...to the life..giving force..animating..its living..They are COMPLETELY dependent..on each other... The creation..of the Soul.;.itself has already..been perfectly/accomplished,..[its just up to us..to colour-it with..our lifes passions][see astral-shell/aura]..but..the creation..achievable..*BY your Souls has not. God created Souls..so He could depend/on them BECAUSE He..created them perfectly...he sustain's them.. just.,.as he sustains..your living material/body..life-process..too. He..gave them*...His peace..so they*..would not/be shaken, by..suffering..nor death..and..would-be unable..to be deceived... did our..works..not..broad-cast..ever..more hurtful..passions..into them. http://www.tsoknyirinpoche.org/2575/web-teaching-i-2/ You..say that..you feel the meaninglessness..of this life.. and so..you practice Dharma..and compassion..to bring meaning to..this life... Dharma is devoted to this..life,..to making this life happier...but it..could become..a trap. Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 7:08:43 PM
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funny..lost/post..suddenly returned..some-how
re..pre-conditional..clause.. 2/aj quote..aj.<<..“Imagine..a perfect..>>.. this/means..imagine..if* ie..not..a..real/usage/by definitive..of when.. ie..its..not science..not/even..theory yet..only concept IMAGINING IF,* a..<<..neuro-imaging/device..that..*would..allow us..>> ie..even..IF..neuro-imaging..*cant do..*this [dreaming/imagining/un-proof/fiction-ing] cant..do/what?..<<..detect..and interpret..the/subtlest..changes..in brain-function...>> nor..even..anything much else*!* but..we live..in..publish/or perish-times..so *IMAGINE..<<..You might..spend..an hour..thinking>> then..what you think.. will attract..that you focus on but..we cant hold focus[fo-cuss]..in..mind..for long enough..to get anything worthwhile..[like a song..only partially heard.. so..we move..onto..the next/fragment..of simile..to..*make you.."just/react"..to ..*their stimuli. [our minds are..so/much reactive..to..the smallest distractions/detraction's..[thus i..mediate..on word-sounds..already with-in..the frame..of cont-ext]..[in-flating..per-form..a/word..into word-form] only..to find..<<..discover>>..the ILLUSORY.. <<..that..the scientists..scanning your brain..can..inform /a..complete record/moments..in..lol..advance..of each event...For instance,..>> any..fore-instance.. is clearly..dreaming/fiction/hope the..first quote..was interesting but..even then....in what..con-text..with the..later..con-text <<..The experimenters..found two..brain/regions.. that contained..information..about which*..button subjects..*would press..a full..7 to 10 seconds..before..the decision..was consciously made>>.. [not made/executed] i..would say..they..prejudged..which button..they would push..at the next-impulse*..to push..arrives..#..its..like saying..if*..there is#..a fire..i will..leave..out/of..*that fire exit all..science/could tell.. is that..a choice..was made.. [not which..fire-exit..you..*plan to use*.. WHEN/if..the need arrives..[their..predicament=is..my..prejudgment] <<..direct/recordings..from..the cortex>> [physio-motor cortex?].. that needs..*relay..the choice/timing..of act? <<..showed that..the activity..[in the..motor/cortex].. of merely 256 neurons..was sufficient..to predict..with..EITHER..60../OR 80..percent/accuracysee/otherpost..[lol]..a person’s decision..to move..700 milliseconds..before..he.>> [he/who?][subjective/witness.. or measured objective?]..before..<<..HE*?.. became aware..of it.>> yes..i heard..the same EXCUSE..given..that that is why..its IMPOSABLE..to/hit.a cricket ball..[or stop a goal..to actually..catch..[or hit]..the ball..WHICH..comes faster..than..the 3/4..of a..second..for/ball..to cover..the distance in affect..the batter..or goalie ALWAYS..NEEDS*..initiate..his movement..pre-dicatively* [inductively] ..well..before..the ball moves..they essentially..must/necessarily..[[see..into the future*].. be-cause the ball..moves..over..the distance..in less/time..than motor-neurons..[cortex]..can initiate the required movement. noting in..the spirit/realm's.. the goalie..reads in advance..the pitchers intention [sport..thus always gets boring..as others..read/our intention.. before*..we even..have decided..just as..we..*can read them./.[read their aura'l..movement..intente']..[they read..ours. no*..secrets..in..the next/life. [aura communications]..[active/predictive/reductive].. nothing..un-seen..[pre-veiled]..that shall..not be revea-led] back..to jesus words http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf God..offers..ONLY mercy. Your..own words..should..ALWAYS reflect..only mercy.. because..that is what..you have..received,..and will expect returned..and..that is what..you should GIVE. Justice..is a..temporary-expedient,..or..an attempt..to teach man..the meaning/of..mercy../.Its JUDGMENTAL/side..rises..only because man..is capable..of INJUSTICE..if that is..what his mind creates. You..are afraid..of God’s will..because you..have ab-used..your..own will-freely,..which He..created..in..the/likeness..of..His own-will,..to mis-create.? any/debate? no-mate. <<..What..you do-NOT realize..is that the mind..*can mis-create..only when..it's frightened..ie NOT free. An/imprisoned-mind..is not free..by definition. It..is possessed,..or..held back,..away..by ITSELF. Its/will..is therefore/limited,..and not..free..to assert..even..it-self. Posted by one under god, Saturday, 19 October 2013 7:13:04 AM
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Dear David,
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Montaigne also said this:
« I speak the truth not so
much as I would, but as much
as I dare, and I dare a little
more as I grow older. »
And this:
« It is a monstrous thing that
I will say, but I will say it
all the same: I find in many
things, more restraint and
order in my morals than in
my opinions, and my lust
less depraved than my reason. »
And this:
« Let us not be ashamed to speak
what we shame not to think. »
And this:
« Ignorance is the softest
pillow on which a man can
rest his head. »
And, finally:
« There are some defeats
more triumphant than
victories. »
.