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Is being a scientist compatible with believing in God? : Comments

By George Virsik, published 19/7/2013

Conflicts arise only when religion is seen as ersatz-science and/or science as ersatz-religion.

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Dear David,

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Montaigne also said this:

« I speak the truth not so
much as I would, but as much
as I dare, and I dare a little
more as I grow older. »

And this:

« It is a monstrous thing that
I will say, but I will say it
all the same: I find in many
things, more restraint and
order in my morals than in
my opinions, and my lust
less depraved than my reason. »

And this:

« Let us not be ashamed to speak
what we shame not to think. »

And this:

« Ignorance is the softest
pillow on which a man can
rest his head. »

And, finally:

« There are some defeats
more triumphant than
victories. »

.
Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 18 October 2013 3:12:04 AM
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we all..will see
freewill..aint free
[by me]

ok we.know..that..free=no-cost?
so..the will..is free..has lost..its cost?

Will..[wont-Negative]
Change..the sentences..below to/the..negative.

Use/the...short-form..won't.

Example:
I'll..see you..tomorrow.
I won't..see you..tomorrow.

You..cannot..modify.."can"
with..the..auxiliary/modal.."will"

When."can"..refers..to permission,..possibility,..or suggestion,
the..Future..is "can"..+..future/time-adverb,..
so..that..it's..clear..you mean..in..the.."future"

Ex:..You..can go..to the..
I..can..help..you
You..can read..a book

YOU..WILL..go
I..WILL..help

you wont..read the book
YOU..will..read..the book
you will..to..read the book
you read..of your own..freewill

how..do..we know..our own*..will?
is by..our own..freewill..or just..willful-choosing..?

will•ful

adj.
1...deliberate/voluntary,..or intentional:..willful desertion.
2...unreasonably/stubborn..or headstrong;..perversely obstinate.

willful•ly, adverb.
willful•ness, noun.

synonyms:..willful/headstrong/perverse/wayward
refer to..a person..who stubbornly persists..in doing..as he..or she pleases..willful implies..opposition..to those..whose wishes/suggestions..or commands/ought to/be..respected..or obeyed:

a willful son..who ignored..his parents' advice.
headstrong is used in a similar way.. but implies foolish and sometimes..reckless behavior:

perverse implies..stubborn persistence
in opposing..what is right..or acceptable,
often with/the express..intention..of being..contrary or disagreeable:..taking a perverse/delight..in arguing with others.

wayward..suggests stubborn..disobedience
that gets one into trouble:

.will•ing

adj.
1...disposed..or consenting;..inclined:..willing to/go..along.
2...cheerfully-consenting..or ready:..a willing/worker.
3...done/given,..borne/used,..etc.,..with cheerful readiness.

willing•ly, adverb.
willing•ness, noun.

Thesaurus Legend:
Synonyms..Related/Words..Antonyms
Noun..willing -
the act*..of making..a choice
willing - the act of,,"followed..my father..of my-own volition"

volition/selection,choice,option,pick
the act..of choosing..or selecting;[selective..

intention..an act of intending;[selectivity..
a volition..that..you intend..to carry..over/out;
"my intention..changed..once I saw..her..?"

Adj...willing
disposed..or inclined..toward;..
"a willing..participant";.."willing helpers"

compliant..disposed to..or willing..to comply;
"children..compliant..with..the parental will"

inclined -
(often followed..by `to')
having..a preference,..disposition..or tendency;
he.."wasn't inclined..to believe the excuse";..is.."inclined..to be moody"

voluntary -
of your..own free will..or design[plan];
that..done..by choice;..not forced..by chance..or compelled;
"man is..a voluntary*agent";.."participation.;.was voluntary";"a voluntary confession"

#unwilling
not disposed..or inclined toward;
"an unwilling..assistant";.."unwilling..to face/facts"
2. willing..not brought..about by coercion..or force
#willing -
not brought about..by coercion or force;
"the works..off his life..was uncoerced"
un-coerced,-unforced

#voluntary..by/of..your own*..free will
or..that..done..by choice;..not forced..or compelled;>>

$forced..so..FORCING OTHERS..TO..BE GOOD..
isnt of..freewill choice..is your..will..free..or willful?

WERE YOU..willing?

adjective
1...so inclined,..un-prepared,..un-happy,
dis-pleased,..in-content,..in favour,..in-disposed

consenting,..disposed, un-favorable,..dis-agreeable,
in the..mood,..willful..wonderful..compliant,..amenable,
desirous..of..or, so-minded..?

willing for..nothing loath?
or willing nothing..but loathing?

There..are some questions..
which they..will not/be..willing to answer.

dis-inclined..reluctant,..unwilling,..averse,..loath,..
[as opposed to.loathing..[adj]..not keen,disinclined,.indisposed

2...ready,..game..(informal),eager,..enthusiastic
He had..plenty of willing..volunteers..here..to help him clear up..the freely..chosen..mess-age

.
but..found only the un-ready*/the ignnored
reluctant,..un-willing,..be-grudging,..unenthusiastic
so rolled the dice..and exercised..his freewill/free-choice..and..?
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 5:59:38 AM
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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/berkeley/

Berkeley..defends idealism
by attacking..the materialist alternative.

What exactly..is the doctrine..that he's.attacking?
Readers..should first note..that..“materialism”..is here used/to mean.“the doctrine*..that material..things exist”.

This..is..in contrast..with..another use,
more standard..in contemporary-discussions,..according to which materialism..is the doctrine..that only material things ..exist.

Berkeley/contends..that no material things..exist,
not just..that some..*immaterial..things exist...Thus,..he attacks Cartesian..and Lockean dualism,..not just..the..view,..held by Hobbes,..that only material-things..exist.

But..what exactly..is a material thing?

Interestingly,..part of Berkeley's/attack..on matter..is to argue that..this question..cannot be satisfactorily/answered..by the materialists,..that they..cannot characterize..their supposed/material-things.

However,..an answer..that captures..what exactly
it is..that Berkeley rejects..is that .material things..are mind-independent..things..or [aetherial]..substances...[conviction-dependent..things]

And..a mind-independent..*thing
is..something..whose existence..is not dependent.;.on thinking/perceiving..external things,..and thus..would exist..whether or not..any thinking-things.(minds)..existed...*Berkeley holds..that there..are no such..mind-independent/things,..that,..in the famous phrase,..[esse est percipi (aut percipere)]..

to be..is to be..perceived
(or..to perceive).

Berkeley..charges..that materialism..promotes skepticism..and atheism:

skepticism..because materialism..implies..that our senses
mislead us..as to the natures..of these material things,..which moreover..need not exist at all,..and atheism..because..a material world..could be expected..to run..without the assistance of God.

This double/charge..provides Berkeley's motivation ..for questioning materialism..(one which..he thinks should motivate..others as well), though not,..of course,..a philosophical/argument..against materialism.

Fortunately,..the Principles..and..Dialogues
overflow..with such arguments...

Below,..we will examine..some of the main elements
of Berkeley's..

argumentative..campaign against..matter.

BUT FIRST..*[a word..from..our loki*

i thought..some limerick
/sic&

Lao Tsu..wrote a book on the Tao,
That’s written to tell us just now,

To avoid pain and pleasure,
And live life at leisure,
By chasing the Here and the how.

There was a young man who said, “God!
I find it exceedingly odd
That the tree that I see
Should just cease to be
When there's no-one about..in the quad.”

god replied

Young man,..your astonishment's odd.
I am always about..in the quad.
And that's why the tree
Will continue to be
As observed by..me
for thee

Yours faithfully, God.

I once read the Buddha had said,
To all of the people he led,

“If you want to go higher,

Just end your desire,
And make sure your ego is dead.

#

There once was a New England farmer’,
Who heard of a thing..called the Dharma.

His spiritual needs,
Had planted the seeds,
And he reaped a crop of good Karma!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE04WIB9V10&list=PLHQMwWIhNeqwYzbDmJuo-aczCcCnF80s0
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 10:15:55 AM
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<<..If you persist..in reasoning
About what..cannot be understood,
You..will be destroyed..By the very thing..you seek..>>

as applied..to..which specific unkown?

seems everyone..is..heading for the hills
not even..putting forward.,.,that theyt claim..unknowable,..,how lame

lets examine..which./.specifically..is not understood

we get we got freewil..and using it
reveals more about our-self..than..any other imputation

[we get that heaven..
means total lack.,..of bad]

we get that god[if he exist]..is pure/good/ENERGY
we arte energy'/everything we see..is energy

ENERGY>>CANT BE CREATED
OR DESTROYED*

what cvant you ..know?
what is hidden..what..is not there underrstood

yes thats a question
why have you not got one?

there..comes that time..beyond reasoning
when you..know..that..*what at first seemed incomprehensible..confusing..disjointed..and just too silly

yet..you learned..santa..is fraud..
jesus didnt die and Pinocchio..couldnt tell a lie

[what..did you care for..as a boy
chemistry/histry..science math English..,man..thats nnever going to be understood

yet..now..regardless of ignorance long past..that confusing..at..first..has a perfect flow..[now you know]

dont apply un-knowable knowns..as if truism
upon..those as yet unknown..yet..uninformed

quitters?
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 2:20:10 PM
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http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

jesus..talking/continues..page48

When..you-are..afraid..of ANYTHING,
you..are..acknowledging..[giving]..its power..to/be..hurtful..to you.
Remember..that where..your*heart..[revelation]..is,.there i.. your treasure..also.

This/means..that you..live..consciously..your believe..
[right..or..wrongly..in what..means/way/ta0..you VALUE...
If you are AFRAID,..you are..VALUING/..[prioritization]...of these..material-things..is revealed..to be..WRONG.

Human..understanding..will inevitably..value wrongness..that induces the fear of its passing[loss]..,and by..endowing..all human thoughts with/equal power,..whether/science/and..or fiction..these..will inevitably,,DESTROY..the realization..within..of lasting..peace.

This..is why..the Bible.speaks of.“The-peace..of God
which..PASSETH..[surpasses]..that of..(human)[materialistic]..understanding.”

THIS..inner/peace..is totally/incapable
of..being..shaken..by human errors..of any kind. It..denies the ability..of anything..which is not..of God..to effect you..in any way.

This is..the PROPER/use..of denial.
It is not/used..to HIDE-anything..but..it IS used..to/correct error. It...brings..ALL error..into the reason..revealed by the gnosis..revealed..by the light,..

and since error.,.and darkness..are the same,..it abolishes..[scatter's/shatters/disperses]..the darkness..of error automatically.

True*..denial is..a very powerful protective device.
You can..and..should deny..any..hurtful belief..that error..can hurt you...This kind of..denial.,is NOT/a..concealment device,..but a/correction..device.

The..“Right Mind”set..of the..mentally/healthy..DEPENDS on it.
You can-do..ANYTHING I ask...[via revelation]..I have..asked you..merely..to perform miracles,..

and..have made/it..VERY clear..that these..are..
yours..eternally..of gods personal nurture/NATURAL,nature
ever-present..ever/supportive/every-loving..graceful;..self CORRECTIVE,.;giving..immediate-HEALING,..and the ever-present [gift]..eternal/omni-present/UNIVERSAL.

There/is..nothing good..thee..cannot do.
But..thee..worthy works../cannot be performed..in the/spirit..of doubt.

Remember..my-own question,..before/you..ask yours..B

recall..first/the context..
“Oh ye..of little-faith,..wherefore..[for why]..didsth thou DOUBT.”
(this..a Reference..to Christ..and the..apostles walking..on water.[spirit)

You..have asked..YOURSELVES..why you cannot..really..incorporate..comprehension..of my words
(the/idea..of cannibalism*..in connection/with..the Sacrament..is a reflection..of..a distorted..view of..shareing.

I told..you..before..that.the word..“thirst”..in connection
with..the Spirit..[embodied..within..our soul]..was used..in the Bible...because..of the limited...understanding..of those..to whom I spoke.

I..also told-you..NOT to use it.
The sam.. holds for expressions..like “feeding on.”)..Symbiosis is
misunderstood..by the mentally ill,..who use it/that way...

But I also told..you..that you must/recognize..your total dependence..
on God,..a statement..which you did..not/like.but..holds true..to all living being.)

God..and..the Souls..He created.;.ARE symbiotically..related...to
the life..giving force..animating..its living..They are COMPLETELY
dependent..on each other...

The creation..of the Soul.;.itself has already..been perfectly/accomplished,..[its just up to us..to colour-it with..our lifes passions][see astral-shell/aura]..but..the creation..achievable..*BY your Souls has not.

God created Souls..so He could depend/on them
BECAUSE He..created them perfectly...he sustain's them..
just.,.as he sustains..your living material/body..life-process..too.

He..gave them*...His peace..so they*..would not/be shaken,
by..suffering..nor death..and..would-be unable..to be deceived...
did our..works..not..broad-cast..ever..more hurtful..passions..into them.

http://www.tsoknyirinpoche.org/2575/web-teaching-i-2/

You..say that..you feel
the meaninglessness..of this life..
and so..you practice Dharma..and compassion..to bring meaning to..this life...
Dharma is devoted to this..life,..to making this life happier...but it..could become..a trap.
Posted by one under god, Friday, 18 October 2013 7:08:43 PM
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funny..lost/post..suddenly returned..some-how
re..pre-conditional..clause..

2/aj

quote..aj.<<..“Imagine..a perfect..>>..

this/means..imagine..if*

ie..not..a..real/usage/by definitive..of when..
ie..its..not science..not/even..theory yet..only concept

IMAGINING IF,*

a..<<..neuro-imaging/device..that..*would..allow us..>>

ie..even..IF..neuro-imaging..*cant do..*this
[dreaming/imagining/un-proof/fiction-ing]

cant..do/what?..<<..detect..and interpret..the/subtlest..changes..in brain-function...>>

nor..even..anything much else*!*
but..we live..in..publish/or perish-times..so

*IMAGINE..<<..You might..spend..an hour..thinking>>

then..what you think..
will attract..that you focus on

but..we cant hold focus[fo-cuss]..in..mind..for long
enough..to get anything worthwhile..[like a song..only partially heard..
so..we move..onto..the next/fragment..of simile..to..*make you.."just/react"..to ..*their stimuli.

[our minds are..so/much reactive..to..the smallest distractions/detraction's..[thus i..mediate..on word-sounds..already with-in..the frame..of cont-ext]..[in-flating..per-form..a/word..into word-form]

only..to find..<<..discover>>..the ILLUSORY..

<<..that..the scientists..scanning your brain..can..inform
/a..complete record/moments..in..lol..advance..of each event...For instance,..>>

any..fore-instance..
is clearly..dreaming/fiction/hope

the..first quote..was interesting
but..even then....in what..con-text..with the..later..con-text

<<..The experimenters..found two..brain/regions..
that contained..information..about which*..button subjects..*would press..a full..7 to 10 seconds..before..the decision..was consciously made>>..

[not made/executed]

i..would say..they..prejudged..which button..they would push..at the next-impulse*..to push..arrives..#..its..like saying..if*..there is#..a fire..i will..leave..out/of..*that fire exit

all..science/could tell..
is that..a choice..was made..
[not which..fire-exit..you..*plan to use*..
WHEN/if..the need arrives..[their..predicament=is..my..prejudgment]

<<..direct/recordings..from..the cortex>>

[physio-motor cortex?]..
that needs..*relay..the choice/timing..of act?

<<..showed that..the activity..[in the..motor/cortex]..
of merely 256 neurons..was sufficient..to predict..with..EITHER..60../OR 80..percent/accuracysee/otherpost..[lol]..a person’s decision..to move..700 milliseconds..before..he.>>

[he/who?][subjective/witness..
or measured objective?]..before..<<..HE*?.. became aware..of it.>>

yes..i heard..the same EXCUSE..given..that
that is why..its IMPOSABLE..to/hit.a cricket ball..[or stop a goal..to actually..catch..[or hit]..the ball..WHICH..comes faster..than..the 3/4..of a..second..for/ball..to cover..the distance

in affect..the batter..or goalie
ALWAYS..NEEDS*..initiate..his movement..pre-dicatively*

[inductively]
..well..before..the ball moves..they
essentially..must/necessarily..[[see..into the future*]..
be-cause the ball..moves..over..the distance..in less/time..than motor-neurons..[cortex]..can initiate the required movement.

noting in..the spirit/realm's..
the goalie..reads in advance..the pitchers intention
[sport..thus always gets boring..as others..read/our intention..
before*..we even..have decided..just as..we..*can read them./.[read their aura'l..movement..intente']..[they read..ours.

no*..secrets..in..the next/life.

[aura communications]..[active/predictive/reductive]..
nothing..un-seen..[pre-veiled]..that shall..not be revea-led]

back..to jesus words
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

God..offers..ONLY mercy.
Your..own words..should..ALWAYS reflect..only mercy..
because..that is what..you have..received,..and will expect returned..and..that is what..you should GIVE.

Justice..is a..temporary-expedient,..or..an attempt..to teach man..the meaning/of..mercy../.Its JUDGMENTAL/side..rises..only because man..is capable..of INJUSTICE..if that is..what his mind creates.

You..are afraid..of God’s will..because
you..have ab-used..your..own will-freely,..which
He..created..in..the/likeness..of..His own-will,..to mis-create.?

any/debate?
no-mate.

<<..What..you do-NOT realize..is that
the mind..*can mis-create..only when..it's frightened..ie NOT free.

An/imprisoned-mind..is not free..by definition.
It..is possessed,..or..held back,..away..by ITSELF.
Its/will..is therefore/limited,..and not..free..to assert..even..it-self.
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 19 October 2013 7:13:04 AM
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