Killarney,

Forgive me, in my posting above (the one that goes from A to E), the points D and E were meant to be genuine, straight-out, accurate summaries, while the points A to C were meant to be characterisations of Islam, especially its ideological implications. I apologise for any confusion.

As an atheist with lingering Marxist tendencies, I don't carry any can for Christianity, but I would respectfully suggest that the Christian-oriented atrocities which you describe occurred some time ago - and it's not, surely, some sort of game where whatever Christian powers did a thousand years or hundreds of years ago, Muslims or Muslim countries can do now: what was evil then, as you rightly condemn, is even more evil now, even more beyond human and civilized behavior. Surely we know better now.

Case in point, of course, is the world's reaction to the fascist Serb attacks on people in Bosnia and Kosovo, much of them in the name of an extremely reactionary form of Christianity. I hope that no country, or people, or religion, will go down that dreadful path ever again.

Joe

Loudmouth, I can see where Killarney is coming from.

I believe that violent humans can be created (born?) into any country, culture, religion, and that growing up in a Muslim family does not mean they are more violent just because of that fact.

Both the Bible and the Koran have numerous examples of violent suggestions for their followers to consider.

I married an Irishman, and we went to Ireland in the early '90's, when the Catholics and the Protestants were shooting and bombing each other, as they had done for decades.

He had never even hit anyone in anger, but was still detained at airports we went to, for thorough questioning just because he was an Irish Catholic.....so he apparently must have been an IRA sympethiser.

He always said that most people in Ireland at that time believed that the violent thugs in the IRA, and their enemies, were all just violent criminals.
I am sure the bulk of Muslim people feel the same way.

There is a genetic link to violent behaviour, Suseonline, (95% -98% of people in jail are males) and genetics does provide the underlying personality that environmental factors, including good parenting, suitable role models, and the degree to which a culture accepts violence as a way of solving disputes, moulds the individual as they mature.

A person who may be born with violent tendencies may not become violent if his culture stresses that violence is inappropriate behaviour, and his parents, peers, and role models emphasise that point. But an average person born into a violent culture, with a medieval male code of honour where even the most casual insult must be met with immediate violence as a first resort, and where parents, peers, and role models emphasise that point, will almost certainly become a violent person.

Your claim that both the Koran and the Bible have "violent suggestions", which implies that both have parity in conditioning their parishioners to be violent, is incorrect. The Old Testament is common to the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions, and their common God may have instructed the Jews to commit genocide on the inhabitants of Palestine/Israel, but that does not equate to the 500 passages in the Koran which specifically instruct Muslims to make war on, kill, behead, mutilate, and torture any non Muslim "near to them."

Muslims follow the teaching of Muhammad and Christians follow the teaching of Jesus Christ. The essential message Muhammad was the correctness of spreading Islam by the sword, and anyone who died fighting for Islam was the best sort of Muslim. The essential message of Jesus Christ was pacifism.

Most Muslims do not want to get involved in Jihad, but they can not sneer at the Muslims who do, because God has commanded that such people are the finest Muslims.

Most Christians do not believe in pacifism, but the underlying pacific message of their culture, is one in which most people consider violence should only be used in situations which clearly justify it. Unlike Islam, the concept of spreading Christianity today through violence is considered Unchristian.

The author calls on us non-Muslim citizens "to aggressively root out the Obamas, Camerons and Gillards leading them. Condemning aggressive wars and protesting once in a while is not enough."
What exactly does aggressively rooting out involve? Sir, is it something one can do without violence?

This might be of interest--from the conservative/right wing "counterjihad" site Gates of Vienna.

http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/06/london-violence-and-islam/

http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/06/we-changed-our-lives/

I'm sure that most commenters on this site would agree that the multi-culti Western collaborators and social engineers are undermining resistance to Islamization. The article by the Swedish blogger is particularly alarming--is Swedish society so compromised?

Well said Killarney. The Islamophobes continue their fulminations over a non-existent 'enemy' and defend the barbarity that is Western imperialism. 70 years their enemy was Jews. Now it is Muslims.