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The elephant in the room: western violence : Comments

By Uthman Badar, published 3/6/2013

Muslim violence pales in comparison to western violence in all respects: numbers of people injured and killed, extent of economic and social impact, and brutality.

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could you imagine someone from a western nation getting the freedom to talk such rot if they lived in an Islamic nation?
Posted by runner, Monday, 3 June 2013 1:06:48 PM
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You have to feel sorry for Uthman Badar, trying to pretend that the passages in his own Koran which quite plainly oblige Muslims to commit aggression against non believers, kill them, cut their throats, maim them, mutilate them, terrorise them, and force them into "dhimmitude" in order to spread Islam, is a difficult task. His only hope is that those who he is trying to deceive are not smart enough to read the passages themselves and see it all written there in black and white ink.

And when his co religionists do just what his God and Prophet command and kill, maim, mutilate and terrorise non believers in order to spread the Islam, he has got a real job. First, he has to praise the Jihadis who do Allah's work while placating the victims with touchy, feely placebos in the hope that they will not wake up to the dangers of Islamic immigration before it is too late.

Quoting old Testament passages where God orders the Jews to ethnically cleanse the inhabitants of Palestine/Israel hardly equates to God ordering the Christians to continue such behaviour.

But the elephant in the room which Uthmar ignores, is that while western nations have been very accommodating towards Muslims, the only thanks they have gotten in return is endemic welfare dependency combined with very high rates of violent crime. Then there is the creation of ethnic ghettoes where the locals have fled in terror of the intimidation and behaviour of the imported Muslims. Then there is the difficulty of getting teachers to teach in areas of high Muslim infestation due to the appalling behaviour of Muslim boys, especially towards female teachers.

Next comes the penchant for Muslim boys to wander the beaches insulting western girls lying on the beach in their bikinis and generally stirring up the locals. Add to that, riots, demands that their religion be above criticism, attacks on churches and synogogues, fatwas, demands for Muslim only areas, and terrorism, and we are beginning to realise that with The Religion of Constant Trouble, we have bought a pig in a poke.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 3 June 2013 1:09:39 PM
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"Muslim violence pales in comparison to western violence in all respects: numbers of people injured and killed, extent of economic and social impact, and brutality."

That rather depends on which period in history is examined, during the 20th century definitely. However, if we take the record of Islam from its invention in the 7th century until modern times and adjust for relative population levels Moslem violence has probably taken more lives.
Another case of Islamic amnesia perhaps.

"The western victim is humanised through positive portrayals and family photos; the Muslim victim is but a statistic." That of course is true and the West can't defend the indefensible--the invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan in particular, are war crimes.

"... their secular liberal ideologies disguised as universal values ("human rights")

This is an often repeated claim by representatives of authoritarian ideologies, basically "our people are not interested in Western liberal democracy"--usually because the citizens of Islamic nations are prevented from learning anything about the doctrine of universal human rights by the theocrats in government. Presumably the woman about to stoned to death for "adultery" or the man to be executed for "blasphemy" regard their miserable and brutalised deaths as part of Islam's rich cultural heritage and have no interest in "human rights."

This is a challenge to all Moslem apologists--- allow Westerners to educate the people of Moslem nations in liberal democracy and then allow them to make a free and informed choice--what are you afraid of? Western governments allow Moslems to proselytise their peculiar superstition in liberal democratic nations.

I'm not surprised that the author despises secular liberalism, it indeed is the enemy of superstition and oppression.
Posted by mac, Monday, 3 June 2013 2:35:11 PM
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Pretty well everyone above my post has answered and rebutted the author very well ...but there is more.

1. The web site Political Islam documents very well the fact that Mohammed was having no success at growing his myth driven ideology by relying upon persuasion...so he was forced to take up arms and become a terrorist guerrilla fighter. He slaughtered people and non compliant tribes by the thousands. He was, even by those days nothing more than a thug.

The Bulletins of Christian persecution and Jewish hatred and persecution make disturbing reading at anytime and it is ongoing.

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/category/statistical-islam/

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/28244/sec_id/28244

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/12/enough_of_radical_islam.html

2. Their hatred of the Jews goes way back to the origins of this primitive mediaevalist ideology, because the Jews would not join up.

But notably the original versions of the Koran were written,or cobbled together, in Aramaic, a Jewish language. There was no Arabic written language, as currently understood.Thats why they had to memorise it.Mohammed and his mates were illiterate.

It was made up of many dialects in the same way there is no such thing as an common written aboriginal language today.

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/category/bulletin-of-jew-hatred/

3. As for being the religion of peace. Here are 10 reasons why that is rubbish as well.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Top-10-Reasons.htm

There is no doubt that they are on a mission and one that will do us no favours

BTW ask your self why is it that 30m jews can earn by intelligence and had work some 80+ Nobel prizes but 2 billion arab speaking muslims can only earn 7, at last count.
Posted by bigmal, Monday, 3 June 2013 3:22:41 PM
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The argument that Muslim victims are "invisible" is nonsense, doesn't the author have Google, go to Liveleak and all the gory details are there for everyone to see, Muslims beheading defenceless Westerners, Westerners mowing down Muslims with Apache gunships, Muslims killing Muslims...in 2013 it's up to the individual Muslim or Westerner whether they take the plunge and look into the abyss of human depravity.
What the author is doing is stereotyping "Westerners" all the while standing on his and his group's record of promoting unlimited Muslim victimhood and decrying the stereotyping of Islam as a violent cult, in that he's a typical religious hypocrite.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 3 June 2013 3:54:06 PM
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Bigmal,
You're not wrong, not exactly but when people hold up Judaism against Islam they always omit the staggering death toll and boundless works of misery and degradation initiated by the Jewish Bolsheviks in the name of Marx. The "Big Three" religions are the real axis of evil.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 3 June 2013 4:06:36 PM
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