Uthman Badar does make some truthful observations. The Western Oligarchs are out of control since they see absolute power via nuclear weapons as being their right to rule the planet.

It is no accident that terrorists are found in Middle Eastern countries where oil or resources can be plundered. Afghanistan has $ trillions Lithium needed for our batteries as well as being an oil pipeline route from Turkmenistan.Afghanistan now provides 90% of the world's heroin. Only small time drug pushers get busted since they compete with really untouchable big ones.

People worry about the Jihadists but they are already enslaved by a greater evil,ie the Western system of debt money creation by a few private individuals.

Loudmouth

So … on the basis of arguments A, B, C, D and E, we in the West have a noble duty to keep bombing their countries, killing their people, overthrowing their governments, destabilising their societies, crippling their economies, destroying their essential infrastructure, annihilating their millennia-old cultural heritage and contaminating their natural environments.

In addition, these bad, bad people must relinquish all rights to self-defence against, or retaliation for, the treatment the West so dutifully inflicts on them.

Sounds fair.

So tell me Killarney what calumny of the past precipitated by westerners justifies this then.

http://www.meforum.org/3524/egypt-christian-children

The islamists have been doing this sort of thing since the 7-8th centuries.

Further they have been blowing up and destroying them selves on their own for centuries. Read what happened after Mohammed died.
The west had nothing to do with any of that either

Killarney, your posts are grotesque.

The West does not bomb islamic countries wily nily despite the loosely coordinated attacks by islamic forces on the West.

The West targets primary terrorist organisations like al qeada and the Taliban.

Previously nations like Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded because they were terrorist states.

Fundamentalism is the enemy of Western society and islam is the worst example of fundamentalism; conflict is inevitable yet the West has let the enemy invade us by stealth; aided and abetted by quislings, fools and traitors islam is rapidly encroaching Western nations. Bolt had an excellent post recently which sums up well the the roles the likes of you and so-called moderate muslims like Waheed Aly play in this invasion:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_waleed_a_war_against_totalitarians_is_never_fair/

No doubt you too, would like the conflict with islam to be 'fair'.

bigmal and cohenite

Thank you so much for expanding my education and de-ignorating me.

Gee whiz, there is no end to the horribleness of these people. And their horribleness has been going on for centuries and centuries. It's been going on for so long, nobody really knows how all that horribleness got started.

I'm so glad I'm a Westerner because there's no horrible stuff in our past like religious intolerance and slavery and civil wars and empires and beheadings and oppression of women. And our religion is so calming and peaceful - that's why its central icon is a half-naked man nailed to a cross, writhing in agony while being slowly tortured to death.

And, you're right, cohenite. Never let it be said that we bomb these horrible countries 'wily nily'. We do it with utmost concentration.

Killarney,

I think you are trying to manufacture an Enemy, what the great Italian writer Ignazio Silone (I think it was in 'Bread and a Stone') would have called ironically 'Our Historic Enemy'.

And it's a bit rich trying to give the impression that Islam is somehow a peaceful ideology. Apart from Indonesia (and maybe not even there, in parts), I don't think Islam has expanded in any way but through violence and aggression - from Arabia to Mesopotamia and egypt, from Egypt across north Africa into Spain, and from Mesopotamia into Central Asia, thence into India - always through wars of aggression. Marx's 'Notes on Indian History' is a chronicle of battle after battle initiated by Muslim forces.

Marc Bloch attributed the rise of feudalism in Europe in large part to the constant depredations of the 'Saracens', along with the Vikings and the various groups ravaging eastern Europe. And as a friend has pointed out to me, much of the Muslim culture in Spain that gets vaunted, even much of the architecture, was done by Jews and Christians, as well as slaves from Africa.

Keep reading on the subject, Killarney, it certainly can't do you any harm.

Joe