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Is gay marriage's promise illusory? : Comments
By Mark Christensen, published 23/5/2013Kevin Rudd may have 'come out' on gay marriage, but his reasons are poorly thought out.
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Posted by Suseonline, Friday, 24 May 2013 10:39:23 PM
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To all & sundry, . Apparently many posters here ignore the results of recent zoological research evidencing that homosexuality is a perfectly natural phenomenon, just like heterosexuality: http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx For the past 2000 years we regarded homosexuality with repugnance and hostility on the erroneous belief that it was unnatural and sinful, as asserted by most religions. For all these years, though an infinitely small minority, homosexuals have been stigmatised, assaulted, discriminated against and rejected by society. According to professor Didier Raoult of France, lesbians, gays and bisexuals (LGB) constitute the largest category of suicides in Europe and the US. Suicide rates of LGB are 2 to 6 times greater than that of the rest of the population in these countries. A study in New Zealand found that 32.1 percent of LGB youth aged 21 and under had attempted suicide, whereas only 7.1 percent of same-age heterosexual youth had made such an attempt (Fergusson, Horwood, & Beautrais, 1999). The 2005 National School Climate Survey in the US, of middle and high school students, concluded that “anti-LGBT language, as well as bullying and harassment on the basis of sexual orientation remain common in America’s schools”. Nearly two-thirds felt unsafe at school. More than 64 percent of students said they had been harassed, and 17.6 percent said they had been physically assaulted because of their sexual orientation. Gay and lesbian youth make up 11 to 35 percent of homeless and runaway youth in the US. A study in Seattle found that 40 percent of homeless youth identified as LGB. Life on the street represents risks for homeless youth. Homeless and runaway youth have high rates of mental illness, violence, sexual exploitation, and substance abuse. They also have a high rate of suicide attempts. One study found that 76 percent of homeless youth reported attempting suicide at least once, and 86 percent of that group reported more than one attempt. It is time to rectify that longstanding injustice. . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 25 May 2013 7:14:04 AM
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QED, you're doing it yourself, using female shaming tactics you've illustrated my point nicely, women get to decide who is "bad" and who is "good", who is the winner in the sexual matchmaking game and who are the losers. Social mores change over time but Men didn't create the current Western sexual "zeitgeist", it's a product of Feminism and Feminism is a reflection of the true nature of women. "All the GOOD men are either married or Gay" Right? Men support Gay Marriage because high status, high income women support it, it's a way of saying "I'm not a Homo, I'm marriage material, I'm a good person",men who don't support Gay marriage are as you and Kipp believe, insecure, unmanly and unfit to reproduce. Women who are indoctrinated by or part of the Feminist social structure use the tactic of shaming men as ignorant homphobes to select the type of man they want, so called "traditional" women use the tactic of shaming men as "Gay" to select the men they want, different type of women want different types of men but it's still women who drive the system of sexual politics and dominance hierarchy. Here's a video which explains female shaming tactics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV9TQmQ6SYk Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 25 May 2013 8:19:53 AM
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Jay of Melbourne, if you want to forgive your own homophobic thoughts by suggesting it's all the feminists fault, then off you go.
It's a very bizarre notion. I know many 'Good' single men, even if you don't. Are you blaming some men's inability to form relationships with women on feminists then? Lol! Maybe they should look closer to home... As Banjo Paterson discusses above, Homosexuality has been with us since the dawn of time, long before Feminism was thought up. Gay marriage is slowly being accepted, country by country, so you might want to prepare for Australia inevitably joining them, sooner than you think. Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 25 May 2013 11:39:21 AM
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Suse, give it a rest, you're just raving now, you don't read my posts and you don't watch the links so how can we debate each other on this footing?
I'm not "homophobic" and I'm not against Gays marrying but I insist on honesty from both sides, the push for Gay marriage and LGBTI rights is driven by Feminism. Feminism is the current evolutionary phase of Marxism, (which is actually what Marx predicted would happen) and Feminists long ago co-opted the liberation struggles of all ethnic, racial and sexual minority groups in this country and subordinated them to Marxian doctrine. Watch the video, it makes sense, women want men to do what they want them to do and they use shaming and corecive language to get what they want, Feminism is female supremacism, "Traditionalism" is female supremacy. Feminists want men to submit to their legal authority whereas traditional women are goddesses and goddesses only dispense their favours upon receipt of a tribute. You Suse don't seem to understand either the Marxian Feminist pro Gay Marriage nor the traditionalist anti Gay marriage positions, I'm opposed to both of them but I insist that both sides be honest. What really gets under my skin is when people like you and Kipp or Runner churn out the same lies over and over and claim them as truths without any backup or justification, the lying on both sides is the reason there's such acrimony over an attempt to change legal processes which is on it's own merit utterly ludicrous and really a non issue in the minds of normal people. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 25 May 2013 12:10:44 PM
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I cannot see any logic in the argument advanced against legalising same sex marriage will weaken the institution of marriage etc. In my view, allowing more people (in this case those of the same-sex) to marry by simple mathematics means you have more people who are married in our society: more people who freely consent to enter into a legal commitment with another person. All the arguments against same-sex marriage are just a smokescreen for continued prejudice by people belonging to the majority of the population who are heterosexual, against those who are different (have a different sexual orientation).
Sadly, much of this prejudice has its source in religious people who villify, demonise and lie about GLBTI people from some imagined higher moral ground. Posted by Robal, Saturday, 25 May 2013 2:32:03 PM
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Really?
Link to the studies please.
What a load of rubbish!
What about the single heterosexual women out there Jay?
Aren't they primarily seeking single men?
Homophobia is an affliction suffered by some ignorant, rude people of either gender.
Most heterosexual women aren't concerned or 'threatened' by gay men or women either Jay, if you think about it.
The main people 'threatened' by gay people are surely those who don't feel good about themselves, and choose to put other 'different' people (eg Gay, obese, different skin colour, different religion, different culture, atheists, etc) down in a vain attempt at boosting their own self esteem...