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Killed for being the wrong gender : Comments

By Bill Muehlenberg, published 30/4/2013

A Melbourne doctor has blown the whistle on parents who demanded an abortion - because they didn't want a girl.

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@david f. It's you and your kind who are the fools, some of history's most spectacular. How do you think grotesque ignorance likes yours could even get a hearing apart from its value to the Molochian Cathedral http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com.au/2009/01/gentle-introduction-to-unqualified.html in making useful idiots. You haven't bothered to understand Christianity, and your rulers love you for it. Our ancestors, the common man knew, because it was likely within living memory that the Cross, was the only thing that prevented spiritual domination (understand that) by the powerful. Fathers loving passed on their knowledge of Jesus, celebrated teh victory that Christmas *means* to their children. God became man so that man can become like God, a meaning hated by all the corrupt and tyrannical.

What you think of as uber sophistication, or fashionable gnu-atheism is simply exactly coincident with doctrines that help the rise of despotic central governments, in bed with huge transnationals - who do whatever they like. The same pattern as all the modern totalitarianisms, all united by the belief that "God was not watching them".

Yes you're free to keep your petty little sins and tin pot bigotries - join the decadent in their waste of all the rights flowing from a Christian anthropology, enjoy the decline in your own way http://elusivewapiti.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/book-review-enjoy-decline.html the father figure you've made into a God and who most certainly doesn't love you, is done with you; elusivewapiti.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/looking-wrong-way.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/03/10/why-the-heck-is-dhs-buying-more-than-a-billion-bullets-plus-thousands-of-guns-and-mine-resistant-armored-vehicles/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2013/04/r-r-reno-and-paul-buchheit-would-appear-to-have-something-to-say-to-each-other.html

But don't pretend it is anything more that an impotent bleat. They laugh at you as you attack the God who loves you and who is the only one who would have saved you from slavery. Learn about Him. Pray you fool.
Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 8:34:20 PM
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Dear Martin ibn Warraq,

Unfortunately you share the bigotry of people who call people fools when they do not share the superstition they believe in. Fortunately you no longer have the power to burn them at the stake. You can only call them names.

I would be happy to pray if there was anything to pray to.

We live in a civilised society and those who believe in nonsense are free to continue to believe in nonsense. However, they are no longer free to torture and burn those who do not share their nonsense.

Your humanoid god simply is a variant of the humanoid gods that the Greeks, Romans and Norse believed in. Jesus, like Apollo, Zeus and Mithra is the superstition that is in fashion in much of the current world. Like Apollo, Zeus and Mithra and other human creations he will eventually go out of fashion, but some will invent new superstitions and others will follow them. As long as humans exist the gullible will find mythical figures and condemn those who do not share their gullibility.

Such superstition appears necessary for many. Half the planet does not share the Christian superstition. Most of them have their own superstitions. However, except for Islam and Christianity, they mostly don't send out missionaries to spread their superstitions.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 8:59:08 PM
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Stezza's question: "who are we to force our individual values onto another person?" is a good one. It does, though, seem to fundamentally undermine the argument he/she has just constructed. On the subjective valuing of human life (an excellent observation), it is worth noting that it is, to a large extent, for this very reason that we have a system of laws governing conduct. The central idea is that, since all human life is understood to be of inherently equal value, an individual's subjective inclinations and determinations do not justify any course of action he/she might think best, especially when the welfare of another is in question. Somehow, in the inconsistency that is today's legal code, the unborn child slips through this otherwise carefully-constructed safety net. Logically, there is no other way to see this, and no appeal to allegedly mitigating factors, however passionate, can restore the respectability of this sad and very consequential retreat from both reason and science.

It intrigues me that this gender preference, almost always (it seems) towards the male, fails to recognize the vital role played by the (female) mother in bringing a child of either gender into the world. Little girls (very typically) grow up to be mothers! At any rate, there is no mother that was not once a little girl. So an effective balance (as was observed elsewhere in comments about today's China) is a really good idea, if only on the grounds of 'self-interest'.

Finally: "rant" may be defined as "speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way". There is evidence of this in these pages, indeed, but the original article could hardly be fairly characterized as such.
Posted by stephenphillips, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 9:41:32 PM
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Regardless of any of the States abortion laws, it is relatively easy for any woman (and her partner) to secure a safe abortion if she wants one.

Women today want abortions for much the same reasons they did years ago... financial, emotional, physical or social reasons. But today, they can have them done safely, instead of backyard butchers, or dying alone in agony from self inflicted abortions.

Not many women take the decision to abort their pregnancy lightly, and in this day and age they have plenty of education re what an abortion involves (sex education, Internet etc).

I agree with choice for women who are pregnant, but I actually hate the thought of abortion as such. I am not sure if I could do it myself.

The only answer to the high abortion rates in Australia is more effective contraception...for both women and men. Maybe free contraception would be cheaper in the long run than the expense of abortions?

All those men who condemn women for aborting unplanned pregnancies should ensure they always wear condoms when having sex, unless they are actually planning for a pregnancy...
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:19:59 PM
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Davidf, Your "Nazi" slur against Christians is a complete fabrication, nowhere in Hitler's writings or his speeches does he use any of the terms "Lord's Work", "Mass Murder", "Mass Killing","Genocide", "Mass Murder of Jews","Killing of Jews" not even in the most biased and heavily edited translations favoured by Anti Racist academics.
Hitler certainly saw his ideas as underpinned by divine certainty, he believed that "the creator of the universe" had created the German Volk and set them in a strugle against worldly evil but he was not a prcaticing Christian nor was he a conservative. Hitler saw himself as a prophet and many people see him as a messianic figure like Napoleon Bonaparte or Julius Caesar but he was definitely not a preacher or a minister.

Maybe you could apologise to Christians and those of German descent for your ill considered remarks?
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 10:21:29 PM
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Still the pro death camp is hiding behind the old " choice and womans rights" rubbish. There are some thing that we just dont have a choice about. I dont have a choice to kill some one just because they dont fit in with my life right now do i? We dont have a choice not to pay our taxes just because we dont want to. You in the pro death camp are promoting the killing of little humans. Call it whatever you like but thats what it is KILLING.

Regards ron mcmillan.
Posted by ronmc, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 11:19:55 PM
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