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Are the Climate Commission's claims of a hot summer correct? : Comments

By Anthony Cox, published 12/3/2013

How can there be a continent wide summer record when no part of the continent had a record?

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Hasbeen,

Or he could be an actual scientist!

Which would explain why he can understand science and you can't/don't want to. It might also explain why you resort to colourful labels and conspiracy for your measly argument.

Which, in reality, is not an argument at all.

It's what deniers use in place of legitimate scientific debate.

And it's pathetic.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 15 March 2013 11:10:58 AM
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Bugsy, Poirot, Agronomist- Rocky aero is less than 4 km from the PO. Heavy rain such as we had in January does not come out of an isolated shower that rains here but not 4 km away. The same for an even bigger event 84 years ago. There may be a few mm difference but not that much. Birdsville airport is roughly 300m from the police station. ACORN makes no adjustments when making a composite of the 2 sets of data, so they definitely can be compared. The Burnett river has multiple river height gauges. Should they all have been included in the 123 records? Wallaville is 50-60km upriver from Bundy and the flood peak went through on the same day. It's double dipping to claim as 2 separate records.
The lack of desire or ability to check basic facts, and the pathetically juvenile standard of comments, reflects poorly on you. Over and out.
Posted by kenskingdom, Friday, 15 March 2013 11:16:18 AM
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So Poirot you fully approve of "hiding the decline" do you?

You feel it is not only legitimate, but scientific to hide the fact that the data you were using told the opposite story to the one you were pushing?

You approve of switching from data that tells one story, to totally different data, & splicing them together, if it gives the desired result?

You approve of hiding the fact that you conducted this fraudulent practice?

Thank you for confirming that you are happy to accept any old lie, if it fits your objective.

As I gather you are not a climate scientists, I guess you have confirmed, with this attitude that you vote green.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 15 March 2013 12:15:04 PM
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So nice of you to drop by again Researcher Ken. Have you corrected your blog post yet?

But on to more important things. The Birdsville claim, that Janama disputed, was that for the first time there had been 31 consecutive days over 40 at this station this summer. What the distance to the Birdsville Police Station has to do with this claim is unclear. Perhaps you will elaborate? Had there been more than 31 consecutive days over 40 recorded at the Police Station in the past? I couldn’t see that from the records, but do tell.

As to Rockhampton, your claim that “does not come out of an isolated shower that rains here but not 4 km away” is not a refutation of anything stated here, because no one has been arguing that it didn’t rain in Rockhampton. The argument is about whether the rainfall on 29th February 1929 holds the record for this station. Clearly it doesn’t, because the station only opened in 1939.

However, the implication from your post is that the 1929 record would still hold because there would little difference in rainfall over that short distance. This argument is clearly rubbish. In big rainfall events there can be substantial differences in recordings over a few km. We are only talking about a 10% difference between the two readings. So just as an example of a big rainfall event when both stations were operating. In January 1951 at Rockhampton Post office, the highest daily rainfall was 135.9 mm. At the nearby Rockhampton Aerodrome on the same day it was 173.5 mm which is a 22% difference.

Whether the 1929 record would still have held in 2013? We can’t know for sure, because both stations were not operating in 1929 and 2013. But that doesn’t make the BOM claim a lie.
Posted by Agronomist, Friday, 15 March 2013 12:44:51 PM
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What a bunch of crank paranoid conspiracy theorists this abominble article attracted, which was probably the aim of the article.

For heaven's sake, all you have to do is look at the monthly averages where the Birdsville weather stations overlap in time to see the difference. (Ken's probably never driven in the rain.)

What Ken and Janama call dishonest or bad science is the complete opposite. Talk about confirmation bias, world view, distorted mental models, right wing authoritarianism etc.

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/03/on-denier-doublethink.html

http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/03/fooling-bottom-8-oh-its-just-another.html
Posted by Sou, Friday, 15 March 2013 1:15:11 PM
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Recap of criticism by sundry trolls, alarmists, climate scientist groupies and world’s best climate scientist [ie not just an “actual scientist” as Poirot adoringly exclaims]:

1 You can have more than 1 flood record on same river; sou says: “you don't need a river to get a flood either.”
Yes, I’ve heard blocked gutters have a lot to answer for. Record was on Laidley Creek, a minor tributary or stream of the Brisbane catchment, one of 40, and the rest, larger rivers, did not even reach the BOM predicted height let alone break a record. Fail.

2 Rainfall; Agronomist has been his usual charming self and produced a different rainfall result for Rocky PO and Aero in 1951; Agro says the difference is 37.6 mm or 1.5 inches; separated by 2.2 kms, all residential/urban with no geographical features. Produce the links Agro and we’ll study this phenomenon. I will say this; Agro’s well connected info puts Teleconnection in its place and casts a shadow over the spatial weighting BOM does with temperature; speaking of which; Agro says “But that doesn’t make the BOM claim a lie.” Let’s call it a half something then: half-fail.

3 Birdsville temperature; 49C beating prior record in 2004 of 48.5C; at Birdsville Airport, running since 2000; Birdsville Police Station record in 1972 of 49.5C:

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=122&p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_startYear=&p_c=&p_stn_num=038002

Cherry-picking and product of possible faulty homogenisation, discussed below: Fail.

4 Watt’s OHC yellow line graph; reply to Agronomist above which he can’t see, must be blind or vision selective; OHC since ARGO statistically flat; that’s flat Agro, like your lack of manners; and 5 times less than pre-2003 increase all at a time of increased CO2 and AGW: Fail.

5 National record; new metric; http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/mystery-black-box-method-used-to-make-all-new-australian-hottest-ever-records/#more-26497

See reply to Agronomist above; needs seeing eye dog; not based on National warming with a stark East/West contrast;

http://joannenova.com.au/2013/03/not-the-hottest-ever-summer-for-most-australians-in-sydney-melbourne-or-brisbane-not-extreme-heatwaves-either/#comment-1247396

In addition Agro’s link to BOM ‘explanation’ offers no insight into how BOM calculated National record temperature; for instance compare this graph of State temperatures:

http://joannenova.com.au/wp-content/7-jan-states-table2.gif

With BOM’s list of State temperatures:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/aus/summary.shtml

The difference is explained by Jo and the team:

Continued.
Posted by cohenite, Friday, 15 March 2013 1:40:15 PM
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