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Are the Climate Commission's claims of a hot summer correct? : Comments

By Anthony Cox, published 12/3/2013

How can there be a continent wide summer record when no part of the continent had a record?

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sou, you are obviously delirious; I won't bother replying to the bulk of your petulant diatribe; one example will suffice; you say:

"The summer record is based on the mean temperature which is the average of the combined maximum and minimum temperatures for the period." Complete crapola."

From BOM:

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/about/temp_timeseries.shtml

Mean temperatures are the simple average of the maximum and minimum temperatures.

Go away please.
Posted by cohenite, Thursday, 14 March 2013 10:20:46 PM
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If you wish to not be treated like a mug Anthony, then please stop acting like one.

The summer record is not only based on the mean temperatures, but also the maximums.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/season/aus/summary.shtml

I get that you feel frustrated and talked down to, most people with some sort of expertise tend to do that when they encounter ignoramuses with hubris.

The only thing I believe in is the data. I can see pretty clearly what the data is telling us. I can also see that there is a section of the population that have made up their mind that it isn't and present some pretty tortured analyses of datasets produced by people who know better. Any mug should be able to see that too, unless they are an ardent disciple of the conspiracy theorists, that is.

The funny thing about your little rant, is that you complain about 'real' environmental issues being sucked up into this climate business, but you never actually promote or shed light onto what these actually are. In fact nearly all environmental issues I have seen mentioned are usually given short shrift and dismissed almost immediately by your lot.

Why don't you for ONCE highlight an environmental issue that you think is so important that we can all agree it should take priority over everything else?

I can see the disciples jacking off in anticipation over the new emails already, how fun. They think they already know what they are going to find, don't they? 'Defenders of he true science' indeed.
Posted by Bugsy, Thursday, 14 March 2013 10:45:06 PM
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Bugsy - I'm a man!

The graphic of the Angry Summer in the Climate Commission Report states that Australia had the hottest Summer ever! It explains the records that were broken - for Birdsville it says NOW - 49C, meaning this summer and for NOT NOW 48.5C in 2004. But the hottest temperature for summer was in December in the summer of 1972 at 49.5!

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_nccObsCode=122&p_stn_num=038002&p_c=-288833391&p_startYear=1972

In the second graphic it claims Birdsville had a January run of 31 consecutive days of temperatures of 40C or over.

where do they get that from? - I can only count 26.

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=122&p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_startYear=2013&p_c=-289198325&p_stn_num=038026

They also claim in the same graphic that Rockhampton had a record daily rainfall of 349mm yet on 21st of February 1929 Rockhampton recorded 388.6mm which clearly retains the record.

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_nccObsCode=136&p_stn_num=039082&p_c=-305486424&p_startYear=1929
Posted by Janama, Thursday, 14 March 2013 11:36:34 PM
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Janama,

You might like to begin the count to 31 consecutive days for Birdsville by starting on the 27th December 2012....: )

cohenite,

I think you secretly carry a flame for Sou....you her asked to "Go away please."

I'm a bit put out, because when you and I first crossed swords, you weren't half as nice to me.

: )
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 14 March 2013 11:49:38 PM
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Fair enough Poirot, point taken - so what about the other two?

That's my posts exhausted for 24hrs.
Posted by Janama, Friday, 15 March 2013 12:09:14 AM
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Well, of course you are Jan.

As to your little searches, you are looking at the wrong weather stations there. The record was at Birdsville Airport, not the police station. Same for Rockhampton, the station with the record was Rockhampton aero, not the post office that you linked to.

It's important to get your datasets right before you start being pedantic isn't it?
Posted by Bugsy, Friday, 15 March 2013 12:29:42 AM
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