Right, so I have to Google French a paper which proves AGW?

"How old are you, 10?

Produce it or be called out as a troll.

On the off chance you are talking about the one which spliced the modern instrument record to a smoothed proxy history, with the proxy record mixed with flat random noise to depress well accepted temperature levels during the MWP and Holocene and then extrapolated from a regional proxy to a global temperature, then, yeah, I do know it and it makes Mann's crap look like gold."

Sorry Cohenite, mid forties: a troll? read the next bit of your post and: no, which reference is this from, hypocrite, who's trolling now?

Geof

Belgian ?

Loudmouth,

Right you are.

: )

Details, Poirot :)

Back to topic:

If (a) al Qaida doesn't actually exist, or

(b) al Qaida is a puppet, a creation, of the evil Americans,

then the Yanks must be playing an incredibly, devlishly cunning game, in their crazed pursuit of the destruction of all of our civil liberties, and the instilling of fear in us all -

- by SEEMING to weaken themselves in fighting a pointless war in Iraq at the same time as a more justifiable one in Afghanistan, and

- by SEEMING to support secular-democratic uprisings in the Arab world, only to watch them go down the tubes as Islamists usurp power, and

- by SEEMING to provoke Salafist/Islamist /terrorist movements in Pakistan, the Maghreb, Somalia, the Yemen, and now in Syria, movements and groups which have carried out more than 1800 bombings since 2001, mainly against people in Muslim countries, against Hazaras, Chfristians, etc., -

the Yanks have given an entirely false impression that they are actually not in control of much of what is going on in the world - that they may be able to whip up fear by creating instability (nobody mention North Korea) but they don't seem to be able to dictate to those 'puppets' that they created.

Could it be that they have a will of their own ?

and - gasp ! - could it be that they always did have ? That they came into being without any Yank hand manipulating them ?

My god. Could it be that people in various parts of the world can think for themselves ? Think evilly, fascistically, but autonomously, nevertheless.

Nah, it's too comfortable thinking that the Yanks are responsible for all of the evil in the world. At least, that way, we know who to whinge about.

Cheers,

Joe

Cohenite: you obviously only read what you know is going to espouse opinions with which you agree. Anything that falls outside your narrow minded frame of reference is dismissed, usually with some ad hominen remark of a grab from your overfill bag of hackneyed cliches; truthers, conspiracy nuts, fruit cakes etc.

The website you cite and the Popular Mechanics book have been systematically discredited on more occasions than I can count. You seem to be incapable of evaluating anything on the basis of the scientific evidence. Your profound ignorance may comfort you and your view of the world, but it scarcely adds to the quality of the debate much less the sum of our knowledge.

Why don't you take a few weeks off and spend the time reading outside your comfort zone. Even if that is too much to ask, can you just stop inflicting your drivel on the rest of us.

Joe: it all depends on how you measure success. The people who really run the US have done very nicely indeed out of all these wars. As for failures in the Middle East? Which countries have actually changed their policies viz. viz the US? Isn't Africa now the latest playground for the US military of the neo-colonial exploitation of its people?

You’re such a dag Poirot.

Tamino shows how some poor wretch misuses statistics to achieve a 5 year cycle in the Arctic ice. Tamino is correct, there is no such cycle:

http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/observation_images/ssmi_range_ice-ext.png

But like everything Tamino does there is a catch; both he and the sucker only use the satellite data, back to 1979.

Over the full 20thC there is indeed a low frequency dominant trend in the data; but that same frequency Tamino uses in the modern era to defeat the sap also shows him to be a shyster. And as Tamino says, he defers to real climate scientists:

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/1520-0442(2003)016%3C2078%3ALIVIAM%3E2.0.CO%3B2

Polyakav et al are real scientists. They show the low frequency trend is multi-decadal and falls outside the parameters of AGW; the overall negative trend is statistically insignificant:

http://s1114.beta.photobucket.com/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/ENSO11000.gif.html#/user/Chief_Hydrologist/media/arcticice.gif.html?&_suid=136281152151206842252064810601

In short a classic piece of cherry-picking by the king of hubris, Tamino; and sucked in by the usual suckers such as you Poirot.

Geoff, I have no idea what you are talking about; the paper I was referring to is this:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/339/6124/1198.abstract

Why don’t you put up or shut up?

And James if PM has been discredited more times than you can count [11 obviously] then you will have no trouble producing one example. Up to now the drivel has been all yours.