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Boycotting Jews yet again : Comments

By Jonathan J. Ariel, published 13/11/2012

The oldest hatred is back. At a café near you.

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Dear SPQR,

You wrote;

“Poor ole CSteele even came out of exile -- and after updating his social register with the venues and dates of the protests --gave us a executive summary of his anti-Jewish readings for the last six months.”

Calling me anti-jewish is like me calling you an apologist for baby killers, all completely baseless, nasty rhetoric and puts you back in the pack of flippant, shallow trollers like cohenite and his ilk. The thing is I don't really believe you belong there. You have the ability to put some thought into your posts and as I assume a non-Jew I'm a little puzzled why you take the position on this issue that you do.

Perhaps you referring to my links as anti-jewish? Though I think the Herald Sun might argue with you on that one.

Be that as it may your post discussed the equivalency between the responses to two articles therefore in that vein I'm hoping you might be willing to explore equivalences in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

If Israeli troops cross the border into Gaza are the people living there permitted to respond to force with force?

If the Israeli air-force fires missiles and their ground forces deploy long range mortars and tank rounds into Gaza are the people living there permitted to respond with missiles of their own?

Is a severe sanction regime and blockade on another state and act of war?

One of the reasons given for the targeted slaying of the Hamas leader was because he was implicated in the capture of Gilad Shalit who was later returned alive. Are all the IDF personnel who have been involved in capturing Palestinian prisoners or in the horrendous slaughter during Operation Cast Lead also be legitimate targets for assassination by Hamas?

Do you think it is a complete coincidence that the current Israeli leadership have taken a more aggressive approach to the situation as an election looms?

These question must be addressed if anybody hopes to rise above the typical Pavlovian responses much of our media employ.

What do you think?
Posted by csteele, Friday, 16 November 2012 9:19:13 PM
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for those..wondering about the huge blogger presence

The IDF Blog now has atrocious gamification badges with points and rewards for sharing the content to social media. For example, if you visit the site 10 times, you get the "Consistent" badge.

http://readwrite.com/2012/11/15/unbelievable-the-idf-has-gamified-its-war-blog

If you search the blog multiple times, you're promoted to "Research Officer." Yes, Israel has gamified war. This is absolutely horrendous.

other reasons

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/11/16/is-israel-escalating-war-on-gaza-to-foil-us-iran-deal/
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/11/16/chief-rabbi-i-think-it-has-got-to-do-with-iran-actually/

War In Gaza: Why Now?

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/war-in-gaza-why-now.html

On November 14, Hamas military commander Ahmed Jabari was murdered in a Israeli missile attack. In a bitter irony, barely a few hours before the attack, Hamas received the draft proposal of a permanent truce agreement with Israel.

“Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip.”(Haaretz, November 15, 2012)

The targeted assassination of Ahmed Jabari was followed by an extensive bombing campaign under Operation Pillar of Cloud. The latter consists of a carefully planned military endeavor.

i would have called it operation pile on the mist*
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-won-t-halt-gaza-operation-until-hamas-begs-for-truce-say-officials.premium-1.478175#.UKV2o5RW6Hg.twitter

Palestinian fighters have downed an Israeli warplane flying over the Gaza Strip
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/16/272691/israeli-f16-jet-shot-down-in-gaza/
as retaliatory rocket attacks from the enclave
read largest prison in the world ever known..
continue to sound alarms across Israel.
http://www.jeff-goodall.com/?p=9783

least we forget to watch the real prize
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/11/15/272399/asiasat-takes-iranian-channels-off-air/
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 17 November 2012 5:51:01 AM
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Inciting war crimes:
Israel minister says force Gaza population into Egypt, cut off water, electricity

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/inciting-war-crimes-israel-minister-says-force-gaza-population-egypt-cut-water


An Israeli minister has called for the army to bomb Gaza until the population flees en masse into Egypt’s Sinai peninsula, and for water and electricity supplies to be cut, a clear case of incitement to war crimes.

Gaza assault 'aggression against humanity': Morsi
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/gaza-assault-aggression-against-humanity-morsi-125626321.html

Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi on Friday branded an Israeli assault on the Gaza Strip in which 23 Palestinians have been killed as a "blatant aggression against humanity," the official MENA news agency said.

"Egypt will not leave Gaza on its own, and what is happening is a blatant aggression against humanity," he said, as his prime minister, Hisham Qandil, visited Gaza vowing to boost efforts to secure a truce to end the bloodletting

rocket attack on Jerusalem as pressure mounts on Netanyahu to launch ground invasion

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/hamas-launches-rocket-attack-on-jerusalem-as-pressure-mounts-on-netanyahu-to-launch-ground-invasion-8322593.html


Tanks - which usually lead Israeli incursions - along with troops were reported to be gathering near the Gaza border.

The rockets fired at Jerusalem and other Israeli cities, including the commercial capital Tel Aviv, followed a ratcheting up of strikes on Gaza by the Israeli military.

Sources said that more than 600 targets in the Palestinian enclave had been hit by last night, up from 225 on Thursday evening.

yet again
go to the cause
Killed Hamas Leader
Was In Midst Of Negotiating Long-Term Truce With Israel

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=aa8_1353021916

Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel,
which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip.

This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders

more signs
no reporters allowed in
http://uruknet.com/?p=m92672&hd=&size=1&l=e

rewrite histry as we go
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/brief-truce-quickly-collapses-as-egypts-pm-visits-gaza/2012/11/16/a10d523a-2fd9-11e2-ac4a-33b8b41fb531_story.html

what are you fighting for?
look at the timming..
http://uruknet.com/?p=m92680&hd=&size=1&l=e
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 17 November 2012 6:10:17 AM
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How outrageous that in a democracy protestors should be allowed to stand outside a business waving banners and shouting. We all know from the news from the great democracy of Israel over the last couple of days that the more appropriate action would have been to make a preemptive rocket strike of assassination and slaughter of children.
Posted by Candide, Saturday, 17 November 2012 6:26:52 AM
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SPQR,

I'd agree with csteele, you usually present a coherent argument, however here you're defending the indefensible so we have to expect ad hominem attacks, don't we?

The Zionists are throwing a tantrum because there's an election in the near future and they're afraid the US might be losing interest, a short little war will get everyone's attention.

This is another stage in a long war that was planned in the late 19th century and started in the mid 20th century and will continue until the Palestinians "disappear" off the map.
Posted by mac, Saturday, 17 November 2012 8:08:43 AM
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Hi CSteele,

<<What do you think?>>
Firstly, let me correct your impressions of Cohenite. There are few posters on OLO as perceptive and as courageous as Cohenite. He has great ability to dissect issues and, unlike some others, he doesn’t let how big the placards one side are carrying or how loud they are shouting cloud his judgment.

CSteele, you are sophisticated enough to know that the roots of the current conflict in Gaza go much deeper than a question of * who was the last one to hit who*. And, if you disentangle yourself from the fine detail in Gaza and take a longer perspective you will see some amazing patterns. The same gripes being aired by the Islamic side in Gaza echo pretty near word for word the gripes of the Islamic side everywhere else:
In southern Thailand
In southern Philippines
In northern Nigeria
And, yes, even in the western suburbs of Sydney.

Is it just that everyone is picking on these guys because they are Islamic – or, could there just possibly be something else at play here?

And here’s another thing to think about, while you’re up late at night, with Sherlock Holmes spy-glass in hand, perusing your latest Hamas RSS feed, for juicy quotes. During the Iranian revolution the left sided with the Ayatollahs. But when the Ayatollahs got control they dispensed with their leftist allies–so choose your f(r)iends well.
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Mac,
It pains me to be on opposing sides to you. As I consider you along with Cohenite to be one of the better posters on OLO.

Rest assured I am not defending Zionism. I am more questioning blind acceptance of Hamas & co. And (just between you and me) CSteele has a tendency to always lean the same way.
Posted by SPQR, Saturday, 17 November 2012 10:16:32 AM
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