SPQR,

cohenite is as partisan as the rest of us on this forum.

He's particularly dismissive of any view or any poster who argues in opposition to his own views. He's not above claiming they're idiots or nitwits when it suits him.....nothing particularly standout in that respect.

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I do have a problem witnessing Israel pummeling and slaughtering with seeming impunity in Gaza. It's the worst of human barbarity and brutality on display - looks like it's going to happen again.

'The oldest hatred is back.'

Maybe, but this article written with all the usual propaganda innaccuracies is evidence of a much newer hatred.

‘...of just whose side they are on in the war between liberal democracies and the tyrannical, misogynist and Jihadist forces which rail against us’

Firstly

I am a member of the Western Liberal Democracies.
I rail against the Israeli Government’s treatment of the Palestinians.

I’m deeply offended. I’m not a Jewish Israeli and my system of Government is secular and non-militarist with laws based in peace and forgiveness. It is not at all similar to the Israeli non-secular militarist government with laws based in vengeance.

Middle Eastern people are not railing against us.

We are not part of Jonathan’s ‘us’.

As an aside, every member of the Israeli cabinet is trained to kill their neighbours. Is that a common trait with Western Liberal Democracies?

To suggest we Western Liberal Democracies are aligned with Israel against ‘tyrannical, misogynist and Jihadist forces’ is deeply offensive. While the Israeli’s are not seeking peace, and their actions are evidence, we in the Western Liberal Democracies actively prompt peace and understanding. It is a fundamental of our way of life.

This article promotes and encourages us in Australia, by way of deception, to hate all middle eastern people who are seen by Jewish people as the enemies of the Israeli Jews.

Thirdly

All Palestinians are not Arabs. Nor are all Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanonese, Iraqis and Iranians. Some Israelis are Arabs. They are all semetic peoples of different cultural backgrounds many of whom historically have adopted the religion of the Saudi Arabians.
The only true Arabs are Saudi Arabians.
The Arab culture is the basis of the Saudi religion of Islam. It spread throughout the mid east by conquest and trade. Essentially most groups who adopted Islam retained their own cultural identity adopting, to varying degrees, some of the Arabic traditions and they do so until this day.
The region adopted the language of the Arabs, usually for commercial reasons, just as much of the world has adopted English.

During the latter part of the 20th Century the pan-Arab movement, started and carried on by Nasser and the other Ba’athist Socialist dictatorships gained a momentum. That idea is now being overthrown in the greatly mis-named Arab Spring.

Jonathan shares his hate of some non-Jewish people with us by attempting to align all non-Jewish Middle Easterners as Muslims and Arabs and wrongly claiming they are all tyrannical, misogynist and Jihadist.

Jonathan attempts to align us weatern liberal democrates with hateful land stealing, vengence seeking, repressive, non-secular militarist warmongers who train their children to kill their neighbours.

That is hate speech.

Jonathan vilifies using innaccuracies and generalities in his assignimg of negative and hateful attributes to diverse groups in his comments about us western liberal democrates and the great diversities of middle easterners.

This while this article should be never be censored an apology should be forced from it's author and the consequences of vilification and hate speech should be highlighted by the management of Online Opinion.

An acknowledgement by Jonathan of the innaccuracies he hatefully promotes should be at the very least of a requirement.

On Line Opinion should highlight it's disclaimer that the views expressed by Jonathan are not necessarily the views of On Line Opinion.

SPQR,

There are two main Zionist propaganda themes that are employed by Ariel and others.

(1) The West is still in a 1500 year long existential struggle with Islam and that brave little Israel is on the front line defending us from the Islamic hordes. As far as I understand, you agree in principle with that argument, I don't.

(2) Jews are the eternal victims of oppression and of course, criticism of the policies of the nation state of Israel are anti-Semitic, it's axiomatic that Jews always have the moral high ground, it's also monumentally arrogant. Moslems have taken a leaf from that book and invented "Islamophobia".

I certainly have no sympathy for Islam or Islamism, but this is a human rights issue. Hamas is not "the Palestinians" as the racist Israeli " Settler" carpetbaggers don't represent all Israelis. My concern for the Palestinians or the Iranians doesn't imply any sympathy for Hamas or the psychopaths who govern Iran.

I agree with Poirot we're all guilty of overstating the case.

Dear Poirot and Mac,

I think you have just had your legs pulled.

Dear SPQR,

Lol. Very droll my friend but nice imagery. It is exactly what cohenite does, goes and stands beside the guy with the biggest placard and tries to learn the slogans and talk the talk. It is a little cringe-worthy watching him constantly playing catchup with the more substantial climate sceptics though he is getting better.

Now he is attempting the same with the Palestinian issue but with entertaining missteps galore. This was a recent pearler from him on another thread;

“Israel recognises a Palestininian state; this is not reciprocated.”

Of course if he had been following the issue in any reasonable fashion he would have known the last thing Israel wants is to have Palestine recognised as a state. They have fought tooth and nail even to deny them observer status at the UN and were absolutely livid when UNESCO admitted them to that organisation.

Don't worry, in a few months time cohenite will be far more polished and we won't be able to pick him from the real version.

As to peoples 'griping' don't you think those in northern Nigeria have similar gripes to those in southern Sudan, or Coptic Christians in Egypt. Minority religious groups face similar challenges the world over irrespective of creed.

To your remark about Iran, as I said in another thread the “Kohomeini regime was several orders more brutal even than the Shah's infamous SAVAK”. It is depressing thinking what the Persian peoples might have made of their democracy if it had no been taken away from them. It would have been a very different country as they are a very cultured race.

Dear OUG,

Thank you for your links. It will be interesting to one day hear the full story about the assassination.

Oh dear; csteele being patronising and condescending; what a surprise. Such attributes are often the veneer used by the ignorant or ideologically bound; csteele is an alarmist and like all religious devotees, for belief in AGW is religious, he is querulous at best when his mantras are shown to be risible and a reflection of his intellectual defects.

Israel is no saint; but it is fighting for its existence; it is outnumbered and outgunned; it is beyond dispute that Iran wants Israel gone and prosecutes that objective through the vile Hezbollah, Hamas and Jihad generally.

In fact there is no nation in the middle east which supports Israel's right to exist; as noted Israel is a democracy with, despite some intrinsic religious fundamentalists who, quite frankly share many of the misogynistic and oppressive qualities of islam, an egalitarian, Western social structure.

What repels me is that the supporters of Palestinians ignore the inherent oppressiveness of islam in that culture, the predation of Palestinians by other Islamic nations and the aggression towards Israel by successive Palestinian 'governments'

In short I think the opponents of Israel are hypocrites and basically betrayers of Western values.

So Poirot, ordered your burqa yet?

under one god, your links are garbage; hearsay and agitprop.