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Wind shift in church gay union match : Comments

By Alan Austin, published 22/5/2012

Christian anti-gay clinics not only rely on dodgy science but also bear false witness.

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While all sin is recognised as grevious in the Bible because it is first and foremost against God, it is worth noting that sexual sin is more profound in terms of its personal impact. In his letter to the Corinthian church Paul instructs: "Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18)

The impact of sexual sin is that it changes us and stays with us, in our deepest selves. For this reason it is unsurprising that unfaithful desires persist, even while we enjoy spiritual renewal.

Nevertheless, Christian's enjoy the more profound changing and saving power of forgiveness from God through the cross of Jesus. Having received his mercy, and being sure of eternal life despite our desires, we can be changed by God.

Christian confidence is in the power of the cross, not the opinions of psychiatrists.
Posted by Pseudonym, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 8:32:47 AM
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I suspect that you didn't read the article at all, did you Pseudonym (if that is indeed your name).

>>While all sin is recognised as grevious in the Bible because it is first and foremost against God<<

The entire point of the piece was to point out that it is becoming increasingly clear to all - even to the blinkered mega-Christian - that being gay is not a voluntary act, but is part of oneself.

Like ears. You can't choose whether you are born with ears either.

So how can being homosexual be a sin, asks the article, if being so was part of God's design?

Which is a pretty good question, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 9:57:06 AM
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The winds of change within the church to widespread acceptance of bearing false witness have been resisted with a lot less passion than some other changes. Perhaps it wasn't really a change, its just that christians get called on them more openly now.

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Posted by R0bert, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 10:09:33 AM
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It's interesting that "sin"(according to some Catholic literature I have) comes from a German word (Sunde) for "sundering and division".

From Fr Barron, in his book "The Priority of Christ":

"So when Jesus of Nazareth said, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near, and believe in the good news." (Mark 1:15), he was not calling attention to general, timeless spiritual truths, nor was he urging people to make a decision for God; he was telling his listeners that Yahweh was actively gathering the people of Israel and, indirectly, all people into a new specific order, and he was insisting that his bearers conform themselves to the new state of affairs. In this gathering, he was implying, the forgiveness of sins--the overcoming of sundering and division--would be realised...."

It seems that some "Christians" go out of their way to create sundering and division by purposely pasting their own idea of "morality" upon whomever they deem "deviant"...when "sin" is merely separateness from God.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 10:27:52 AM
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"…we can be changed by God."

Interesting concept Mr. Nym. So, we can just plod along trying to cope as best as possible and if or when God wants to change us, He will?

Or are you verging on the blasphemous in suggesting God got it wrong in the first place?

As long as you're happy I suppose… But not deliriously so.
Posted by WmTrevor, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 10:52:53 AM
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On the face of it so called Gay marriage is a matter of supreme unimportance. Who gives a dam if a couple of homosexuals pair up-isn’t that what they have always done.
On the other hand religions (of all shapes and sizes) and the homosexual lobby have much in common. I offer a few examples of their typical mindset: intolerance of other points of view; bullying tactics to get their own way; an irrational certainty that theirs and only theirs is the one true path and so on.
Come to think about can anything be more absurd than a belief in God or an after life. Bigotry is endemic in both groups.
Posted by anti-green, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 11:33:42 AM
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