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Porn hurts women, so say the partners of users : Comments

By Petra Bueskens, published 1/5/2012

What is the relationship between use of pornography and the libido deficit of women, the purported mismatch among couples, and men's abiding sense of sexual frustration in marriage?

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And while I'm on the pathetic and wretched meme, let me add the author to that list too. What unadulterated rubbish.

A psychoanalyst and a lecturer in sociology AND feminist studies. Does it get any worse? Let's hope that when Abbott wins the next election he absolutely guts university Arts' faculties. Surely, no article could better prove what a complete waste of time sociology and feminism is.
Posted by dane, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 5:15:58 PM
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<That's pretty creepy squeers. Speaking for myself I have absolutely no attraction to sexually immature females, and I can think of no circumstances where I could.>
Have I said I have such desires?

In the context of my post, Houellebecq, I was saying that social morality is what prevents many men from over-stepping the mark, ergo that if morality is sufficiently compromised anything goes. That’s surely why during war and upheaval, rape and gratuitous violence, perpetrated against civilians, is the norm (we cover it in heroics and patriotism)—though driven as much by peer-pressure as individual viciousness. A gang of teenagers is capable of nearly anything, while its individuals might be otherwise harmless. That’s not to say that non-subscription to social mores is sufficient in itself to make an indiscriminate rapist—as I said, subscription is generally based on the suspension of disbelief rather than conviction. There are other factors involved, none of which, I’m afraid, redound to men’s credit, or their chivalrous “ideas” about themselves. The other factors include the imagination—and the incoherent desire I mentioned that drives it—opportunity and immunity. These are the factors that unite when institutionalised abuses take place, such as for instance within the church, the very seat of morality. Within family’s too, one in four children is victim to sexual abuse, no doubt an improvement on the incidence of it in days gone by, when the master of the house enjoyed virtual immunity. These factors all line up with internet porn; imagination, desire, opportunity, immunity. Add to this that what token morality still obtains can be rationalised since the sex is vicarious. But internet porn is like any other commodity, it’s competitive. Just as food manufactures perpetually add more sugar and salt or another layer of chocolate, porn producers are constantly in search of the ultimate novelty. But there is no ultimate novelty for “incoherent desire”, it’s an empty place that can be endlessly plied.
Anyway, I could just as easily boast my manly credentials, or talk sh!t like dane, but I prefer digging beneath the bullsh!t and challenging complacency.
Posted by Squeers, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 6:47:57 PM
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>>I don't believe paedophiles are a rare aberration; disturbingly, I think like rape it's potential in all men, it just wants the right circumstances and "freedom".<<

That's a novel hypothesis Squeers. I'm afraid that's the best I can say about it. Do you have any evidence to support such a claim or is it just a random supposition?

>>See they hate the stereotyping but all feminists deep down are with squeers and think all men are rapists.<<

I doubt that's the case. I'm always suspicious of sweeping generalisations and there are lot of women who call themselves feminists: they can't all be crazy people. There are probably feminists who love porn.

>>Pornography depicts sexual scenerios that simply are not real, yet it creates an expectation that reality should comply with these outrageous scenes.<<

Just like non-pornographic movies and television depict an abundance of scenarios that are simply are not real, yet create an expectation that reality should comply with these outrageous scenes. If rational and well adjusted adults sit down to watch Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull they will develop the unshakable belief that a man can survive a nuclear blast by taking shelter in a refrigerator even though the feat is in complete defiance of the laws of physics. All of them. Without fail. No matter how intelligent or educated they are.

Or maybe not. Maybe they retain their critical faculties during non-pornographic movies but those faculties mysteriously and inexplicably switch off when watching porn. That must be it.

TBC
Posted by Tony Lavis, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 7:43:49 PM
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>>Pornography tells you "how to do it", just like McDonald's tells you what to eat. It doesn't make it right, or healthy.<<

Just because McDonald's tells you what to eat do you obey? If Starbucks told you to jump off a cliff would you do it? People are not mindless drones. They make their own choices. McDonald's might tell me that their new improved gourmet McWagyu burger is going to taste fantastic but experience tells me that it well be just as greasy and unpalatable as the rest of their crap and I'll give it a miss.

Watching porn doesn't automatically want to make people emulate what they see on the screen. I've watched my fair share and it's common for men to shave their pubic hair. Porn watching gentlemen: how many of you have ever felt the desire to wave around a razor blade in close proximity to your old fella?

>>Where in pornography does it teach you the interpersonal nuance of responding to the touch of another human being in a way that is unique to that moment and to that woman.<<

Is that actually something that can be taught? In any fashion?

Cheers,

Tony
Posted by Tony Lavis, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 7:44:09 PM
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What are we actually talking about.

As I understand it, much of what is called porn is actually home made video footage made by couples indulging in sex. Is this the subject matter, or is it something more professionally produced & marketed.

It would make some difference to the effect it would have in the participants.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 7:55:31 PM
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Hasbeen,
There are sites for every type of special interest or sexual taste imaginable.
I wonder if the author believes a site featuring photos of women's feet or women dressed in a particular style of blouse dangerous just because some people find it exciting and possibly masturbate while viewing it?
Some guys like to fantasise over Lingerie catalogs or women's fashion magazines, some guys just use their imagination, as a lad I kept a modest collection of "Pin ups" under my mattress, everyone has an individual set of preferences.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 8:13:53 PM
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