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Without oil, modern civilisation doesn’t work : Comments

By Mark O'Connor, published 30/4/2012

How a reckless sell-off is running Australia short of oil and gas.

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Abiotic oil Cohenite? Where's the evidence? It's an unsupported theory.
Shale gas is a gas, not a liquid and can't really replace oil for transport unless all the cars are converted. There's still controversy over how much there is and whether it can be extracted safely. We all await with interest its development but don't hold your breath.
Posted by popnperish, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 9:53:04 PM
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Oh come on poper, Germany fought WW11 with petrol produced from coal, & South Africa drives around on some of it today. With todays oil price, we could produce our petrol/diesel from our coal economically.

It is just as easy to convert gas, & it would go well with the heaps of shale oil we have proven. However, converting to natural gas is not that hard, with modern cars. If it were marketed at its real value, rather than with parity pricing, we would all happily convert.

It would be much easier than converting to electric cars, with the infrastructure required for either.

I often wonder what the greenie ratbags are going to say when we have to build new real power stations to charge the fool things, if we are silly enough to produce them.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:08:42 AM
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Hasbeen is correct cng is a viable option and can be used as a transition fuel.
It will require a very high cost to provide the infrastructure.
The gas would have to be distributed by LNG tankers to service stations
where they would convert to CNG for the customer.
It may be possible to supply the service stations via the gas mains if
that was within their capacity.

However it is done it will be very big money. The real problem is that
we are flat out selling our natural gas for export when we should be
keeping it to extend our transition time.

I disagree with Hasbeen on electric cars as they are more efficient
from mine to power station to wheels than any other path.
Eventually everything will have to be electric with the energy
generated by various alternative systems plus nuclear.

Ultimately we have no other choice.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 8:34:52 AM
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Hasbeen
Some of us out here would actually like to solve the problems confronting us without being abused by people like you. The bottom line is we can't utilise all the oil and gas out there without destroying the atmosphere and us along with it. Yes, of course there is CTL and easy conversion of cars to gas, but it does not solve the problems of greenhouse gas emissions even if it does solve the energy problems short and medium term. Electric cars will be OK if we can run them on renewable energy, but we should be using what relatively cheap oil we have now to make the cars and machinery and other infrastructure for this new kind of economy.
Posted by popnperish, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 8:38:23 AM
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Popnperish, actually crude oil plus all liquids flatlined onto the
bumpy plateau in July 2008 which was what triggered the jump to $147.
It appears from what I have been able to find out in that July there
was zero spare oil available and further spots could not be filled.

There is confusion as to just what is the peak. What happened in 2006
was that production of crude oil stopped increasing.
That is not the peak point just the start of the peak.
Look back in 50 years and the flat top will look like a peak.
The time of the peak will be the middle of the plateau.

Because of the scale of the oil industry it is not generally known
that all these shale oils, very heavy Venezuelan, Brazil etc etc
natural gas et etc cannot overcome the depletion rates that are now
appearing in all the old oil fields.
Some people are getting so carried away that they believe the US has
become an oil exporting country. In fact they import 40% of their oil.
Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 9:00:15 AM
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Thanks Bazz
Yes, I've seen other reports that unconventional will not make up for the decline in conventional oil, especially if population and demand continue to rise. But I'm not sure any of us know yet at what point producing unconventional oil becomes unviable. Will it be low EROEI? Will it be sheer difficulty e.g. mining in ultra-deep water or the Arctic? Will it be an international treaty that forbids their extraction for environmental reasons? The situation seems to change almost daily. I'm trying to keep up but there are so many variables!
Posted by popnperish, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 11:30:12 AM
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