'david f wrote: "The fact is that Hitler behaved as many Christians behaved before him. He followed a pattern set by Christians."

I wonder then why the Christians in the rest of the World at that time opposed him? Were they also uncristian? Were they also setting a pattern for him to follow? Who better represented the values of Christ - love for all persons?

Josephus wrote:

'david f wrote: "The fact is that Hitler behaved as many Christians behaved before him. He followed a pattern set by Christians."

I wonder then why the Christians in the rest of the World at that time opposed him? Were they also uncristian? Were they also setting a pattern for him to follow? Who better represented the values of Christ - love for all persons?

Dear Josephus,

The Christians in the rest of the world did not oppose him. The Spanish Christian government, the Italian Christian government, the Romanian Christian government and many other Christian governments supported him. In many Christian countries that were later to fight him there were groups such as the Cliveden set in England which supported Hitler. The Holocaust was not carried out by German Christians alone but was joined in by Ukrainian, Lithuanian, Croatian and other Christian nationals. In fact most Christian countries were unwilling to take in Jewish refugees from Germany. Hitler's actions in general were either supported or ignored by most non-German Christians. Many Christians outside of Germany shared the Christian tradition of Jew hating. There was very little Christian love shown towards the Jews.

Get your facts straight before you ask more questions.

War is not a good arbiter for your position, Josephus… Otherwise we are left with 'love for all persons' meaning that such love doesn't stop Christians killing a lot of them.

Not that it was much easier in most of the other European wars in the last thousand years – you know, the ones with Christians on both sides – and, according to the combatants, God and/or Christ as well.

Maybe you could direct us to a list of all the self-professed Christians in history who weren't so in your opinion?

>>Hitler as were many others were not Christian in their attitudes or actions.<<

Fail. That's a no true scotsman argument: they're dodgy. You might not like it but Hitler was Christian. So were Torquemada and Pope Alexander VI. You don't have to be nice to be Christian.

Cheers,

Tony

To me personally, it is of little consequence whether Hitler was a Christian. Why? Many Christians have acted and still do act in ways that are totally out of line with Christian teaching.

However, Hitler was definitely not a Christian. He hated Christianity and only used it for political power. Once he attained the power he wanted, his real views became clear.

If you doubt that he hated Christianity, look up the quotes from later on in his life.

Regardless of what he said though, the Nazi's attitude to churches- wanting to destroy them, basically- show that for all practical purposes they were against not only religion but displays of religious belief

Having one nephew an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi and the other members of my brother's family Orthodox Jews, whom I love with a passion; Davidf mysrepresentation of Christians is so obnoxious nonsense.

I am personally a supporter of Israeli Christians who through ICEJ show hospitality to displaced Jews returning to their homeland. I like the Corrie Ten Boom family under the Third Reich period are currently a protector of Jews.