If you read my posts you would see that I am neither forcing my opinion on the abortion issue, nor attacking others opinions. I am merely asking questions of those who take a moral stand and state that everyone behind their arbitrarily drawn line is an immoral baby killing nazi. If people realized that their own position does not stand up to scrutiny, then perhaps it will prevent them forcing their opinions onto others.

We all value life differently, but a pregnant woman has more of a right to decide to have an abortion than anyone else.

"There are many scientific reasons for distinguishing humans from other life forms as well as philosophical ones"

Such as?

"... the straightforward science that life begins at conception, something almost as obvious as rain coming from clouds."
Posted by Stephan, Thursday, 1 March 2012 5:24:01 PM

"Everybody knows life begins at conception."
Posted by Tony Lavis, Thursday, 1 March 2012 11:56:56 PM

Conception, in sexual reproduction, is a *continuation of life*: a single living cell - a sperm - enters another living cell - an egg [ovum] - to provide the double DNA machinery to start to manufacture an organism. It often goes awry, naturally - in about 50% of conceptions ie. ~50% die, naturally (by design?)

".. These people are intellectual children and moral reprobates equivalent to the most evil murderers. If you cannot stand the defence of innocent life, you equally deserve the strongest form of denunciation possible. You have crossed the line into a zone where no-one is safe."
Posted by Stephan, Thursday, 1 March 2012 5:24:01 PM

- Rhetorical nonsense.

The purpose of my comment and the reference to the now inter-generational tragedy caused by depleted uranium was to provide a wider context in pointing out that, contrary to his rhetoric, Bill is not as pro-life as he pretends to be.

Such deliberately caused suffering was at the time dismissed and justified as "collateral damage".

The only nonsense, McReal, is how people without a moral compass try to defend baby killing for the most absurd of reasons - that don't stand up to scrutiny. Actually, it's not really nonsense, nonsense can be fun - THIS is totally evil on a similar level as Auschwitz. Moral relativism and no conscience - you people defending this for ANY reason should be UTTERLY ashamed of yourselves. Seriously, it's disgraceful and morally equivalent to mass murder.

The unique DNA code formed when the genetic material of the mother and father fuse is genetically 100% equal to the information in an adult. Deliberately destroying that information to achieve the point where it cannot live any more is murder.

Draw the line of the beginning of life at any other point other than conception and you are on a road to hell - as the article above demonstrates!

Stop being obtuse.

Even were it true, Daffy, it's 100% irrelevant. You seem to think personal attacks are an argument. You're only confirming what I wrote. The subject is 'after-birth abortion'.

@rational-debate.

I understand you want to try and help people out of, what is to normal people impossible to even contemplate. You want to be careful not to alienate. Perhaps it crossed your mind attitudes so incomprehensible could only be the product of a child mind or one so emotionally broken as to require the gentle manner of a crisis counsellor. But even children could not mistake killing babies for anything other than repellently evil. Only years of wilfully entertained and nurtured thoughts could inure someone to such wickedness.

Please remember your interlocutor is guilty of incitement to murder - there is no charity at all in tolerating speech of this kind, in fact it shows a cruelty to those threatened.

By rejecting the standards within which any rational debate can take place they by definition self exile from social life.

The only discussion to be had is who will take responsibility for investing taxpayer money in educating, employing, and nurturing the moral monsters responsible for this published article. And what the contact details are of our elected representatives.