Whoever thinks that there are too many people on the planet and aggressive pro-active steps are needed to save the planet,then they should be the first to volunteer for the great human cull,which many environmentalists are actively pursuing without including themselves.

Of course moral affections attach to people who seem to be like us, vulcans would be included. But would the rationalistic vulcans let an abortionist anywhere near their children? Absolutely not! it is utterly illogical, for it would be murder.

A baby vulcan is nothing other than a vulcan who has yet to develop all its intrinsic capacities, and is dependent on others by degree. An 13 y.o. is undeveloped and dependent in this sense, why murder them? Any criterion introduced in order to de-humanise our intended victims so we can murder them, will just be arbitrary and exclude vast amounts from the embrace of the human family, and it means oceans of blood.

Black people and Jews weren't considered persons either, they 'weren't like' the rest of us according to Powerful interests and de-humanised as rats or another sub-human species. The powerful and intellectuals were able to get everyone to go along with pogroms and chattel slavery. Everyone goes along with murdering very young human beings, who are just like we were, because the plutarchy is utterly dependent on it, it's legitimacy is staked upon baby corpses now.

Sex makes babies, but sex is needed to sell things, feminism (implicit masculinism) has successfully taught that a women's freedom is constituted by her liberty to kill her daughter. So the state and big money conspire to sell female fertility for cheap labour, and baby blood for the ideal sold as 'career and consumption' i.e. profit. Just like the cotton gin made chattel slavery pay.

The whole rotten nihilistic edifice is elite driven culture war on families http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF09H36.pdf (Family Research Council) and the parasitic class' journalists defend their own in the MSM.

Much ado about nothing here!

In case people haven't noticed, global politics are about economic and commercial viabilities.

It makes no economic sense to kill infants, the elderly or disabled as they are profitable for companies that supply their needs.

However I think we all recognise that global population growths must be reversed in all countries till a 6 billion sustainability ceiling is reached. Otherwise human caused crises like climate change and energy(oil) wars & attendant diseases will consume the whole species.

To that end, forcing women to have only one child per lifetime (satisfactory ways exist) satisfies the sustainability criterion and is a hell of a commercial boon because it keeps women(1/2 of the workforce) employed and up to speed for up to 80% more global productivity

Only immature, sexually insecure dolts who are a nuisance to society would disagree.

But to let idiots drag the entire human race into hormonally charged wars is a great case for keeping global populations around the 6 billion mark.

If populations drop too far its easy to open the baby flood gates in a controlled and globally equal manner.

That women do not have the intelligence to understand this, support it and thrive on it is foreign to my knowledge of the hearts and minds of modern women.

If I'm wrong then bring on the neutron bombs because that is the alternative in rather short (decadal) order.

KAEP,Prince Charles and Maurice Strong( ex Secretary of the UN + Oil Billionaire) are on record in wanting to reduce the world's populuation by 90%.Those who back them want it done soon.We have a few lunatics who are pursuing Global Genocide in the form of war,chemical and biological means,food control,monetary control and control of our Govts.

They have all their under ground cities not bunkers at the ready.Prof Chris Busby has found evidence at Fallujah in Iraq of Uranium refined beyond Depleted Uranium; meaning weapons grade nuclear bombs on a small scale.He suspects the USA have an advanced mini nuke which they think gives them a edge over China/Russia.Now how insane are the psychopaths on our side?

*and Yabby is convinced that his completely arbitrary determination of when life begins is valid,*

I made no such claim, Stephan, so you are shooting down your own
strawman arguments it seems.

For of course life simply continues, sperms and eggs are not dead.
My point is that a zygote is not a person, a child or even a baby.

We flush live sperms and eggs down toilets daily, witout a second
thought, but suddenly the zygote becomes holy.

Holy sperms come straight out of the Catholic book of dogma, based
on Onan's holy sperms from the old testament. I reject their dogma.

My point about when a fetus could be classified as becoming a
person, is a valid one and you are free to disprove it.

As to you valuing your computer more highly then saving a starving
baby, its once again correct, as we all can see. Joke about it all
you want, but that is the reality.

So don't come preaching to me

Where I have a problem is the unintended consequnces of all this
in the world, especially the third world. Much poverty and misery,
hunger and suffering, due to religious dogma. How sad.

Zygotes don't think, feel or suffer, people do.

@KAEP. Humans are not drones for big money turbo-capitalism. Though they try to insist we are.

Only the deranged could suggest we murder our children in order participate in the world. We are dignified human beings not some species of homo economicus. KAEP KEEP your corporate hivemind mentality. Thanks but no thanks.

You need a lesson in demography. Fertility rates can't be turned on like a tap. There is a point of no return. No society in history has recovered from a fertility rate of 1.3. Taxes too high supporting ageing population; workforce contraction; families can't afford 2 let alone the 4 required to rebalance the population pyramid; nor is there a way to instantly overcome the inertia and conditions that produced the crisis in the first place. It takes 20 yrs for the next generation to start contributing to general revenue, by that time it is too late.

Demography 101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBS6f-JVvTY&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL838DE67E3DB9025B

Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse: Why Civilisations Die
http://atimes.com/atimes/global_economy/ml13dj05.html