Quote: more and more Muslims are becoming more or less secular, taking what suits them from their religion and leaving the rest. Given time, they too will dare to speak out against religious leaders such as Keyser Trad who seek to force their beliefs and ideas on others.

And so what? The real issues are:
1. When will Muslims denounce the hate and violence in the Quran against non-Muslims, or condemn the evil actions of Mohammed?
2. When are Islamic societies going to change their ways? I mean end the intolerance, repeal the apostasy and blasphemy laws and accept freedom of speech and the principle of human equality?

When this happens we can talk. Until then, spare me the talk about so-called 'moderate' Muslims.

The concept of the "moderate Muslim" is a myth like the unicorn, chupacabra and yeti. The "moderate Muslim" thinks the vile things that Mohammad did, described in their own writings, are just fine and dandy. The fact that the Quran says non-Muslims are "lower than animals" doesn't bother "moderate Muslims".

Moderate Muslimhood is the petri dish out of which the radicals grow.

The West - and Australia - is going to pay dearly for their stupidity.

Kactuz, a few points:
-Jihadists are regarded by Muslims as just more pious and more religious,holy men or ascetics.Anyone who's on a journey of faith or religious learning can relate to the mindset but the idea that my god is their god and that he also watches over Muslims and loves them is laughable, can you imagine a Germanic tribesman eying a Roman farmer and thinking that Wotan also protected him?.

-Turning the issue of Islam around in my mind it's become clear to me that Islam does breed violent, intolerant and hostile people, there's no racial component to the problem beyond the fact that 99.9% of Muslims are non White, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Bosnians and Nigerians are all susceptible to the same "unmanageable" degree of devotion.

-I've heard the term "lack of emotional mobility" used in connection with young Aboriginal people, it also rings true regarding non European migrants, particularly Refugees of whom the greater proportion of arrivals are now Muslim.
Emotional mobility implies a strength of character which aids a person's adaptation to new and unfamiliar surrounds and enables them to navigate a high tech, liberal western society without falling apart or succumbing to it's many vices. In light of the monotonous roll call of tragic "New Australian" figures that begs the question, are we helping or making things worse?
Can these people really cope or are they going to end up as mental basket cases, addicts or "clients" of the justice system?

- White Australians are sick of not being consulted or included in discussions about immigration, in fact the perception is that since one vocal wing of the pro population lobby portrays non Eurpoean migration as revenge for "racism" that Multiculturalism is something that's being done TO us not FOR us.
Is there a plan for reconciliation between White Australia and Multicultural Australia and or are we just expected to continue to be it's wallet, with no say in the matter?

Ybgirp, it is irrational not to come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with a religion that teaches its followers to emulate its founder who is a proven rapists, murderer, pedophile, women-hater.

All Muslims are not radical Islamists but ALL Muslims support radical Islamists. “Moderate” Malaysia sent back Saudi journalist Hamza Kashgari to his certain death for making statements about Muhammad.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/12/malaysia-deports-saudi-tweets-muhamma

runner
Secular humanism is what keeps religions from annihilating each other in the name of God. Secular humanism is based on the principles of religious freedom without fear of persecution. Runner, I am sure you don't condone the killing of minority Christians in the Middle East. These sorts of actions are condoned generally in less advanced cultures where there is one prevailing religious dogma.

I am not going to comment specifically on the article as there is as much prejudice from the Muslim community as towards it, the difference being of course, Muslims have the disadvantage of being in the minority.

Hopefully in the future Muslims and Christians will form some sort of tolerance for each other in a multi-cultural setting which adheres to a Common Law. I hope we don't see the same sort of radicalisation here as in the UK and that both Muslims and Christians will speak out against any threats to freedom of speech and religion.

Pelican,
You do realise that Christians are in large part responsible for the immigration of Muslims into Europe and Australia? A lot of the old Liberals who lobbied for an end to the immigration restriction act came from Methodist backgrounds and in the end both their Mr Menadue and Catholic Archbishop Mannix made submissions to parliament in support of non White migration.
There is no conflict between Christians and Muslims, of late there have been significant examples of co operation in my town but there is a constant, vicious and hysterical assault on both religions and people of faith in general by secular humanism / atheism.

Please Pelican

'Secular humanism is what keeps religions from annihilating each other in the name of God '

Have you not heard of Stalin or Mao. I suggest you do a little research before suggesting secular humanism somehow creates peace. Also the millions of murdered unborn are a result of humanistic dogma. The humanistic dogma is blinded to true science replacing it with pseudo science pretending the unborn is not a child.