UOG, that is the most coherent I have ever read you.

On the Hitchens quote:

"It is far better to put delusion aside and if wrong, face the alleged consequences and at least know this course was wrong instead of wasting the only life you will ever have, and never know."

I have to disagree with your thrust about the "alleged consequences", UOG. These have been laid down by our fellow primates, not by a loving god, surely?

What would His purpose be in giving us the power to reason and to exercise free will if He then coerces us with the fear of eternal retribution if we do not "choose" Him?

What would that retribution be for those who have led a good but godless life? It might be as simple as not passing through to a next existence. So what? Could it be the "hellfire" our fundamentalist preachers rattle? I don't buy any attempt by my fellow primates to lord over me with threats. And what of the majority of the world's people that do not adhere to the bible, written by fellow primates, as guide to their beliefs? Are we all doomed to eternal pain?

You write "HE want nuthin...asks nuthin..expects nuthin"

There can be no consequences, therefore, to rejecting faith.

When one makes an assertion for which there is no evidence there is no reason to accept such an assertion. There is absolutely no evidence for life after death. The fact that many people believe in it is no reason to accept it. There is no reason to believe in such a thing for bacteria, snakes, walruses or humans.

Many people used to believe in a pantheon of gods. The fact that many people believed in it did not make it so. Not to believe in obvious nonsense is a reasonable stance. Death is the end. Kaput. Finito. Gone.

david f writes "Death is the end. Kaput. Finito. Gone."

That is a belief, an assertion, a hypothesis.

This, nor the existence of an afterlife, can be falsified by any experiment, hence they both remain matters of faith. Devout atheism or religiousness both share this fact, so why argue?

"Proof by bold assertion" has never been a part of true science.

Dear Luciferase,

There is evidence that death is the end of life. Organisms that die have no evident existence any more. To assert that death is the end of life is a reasonable assertion. To assert there is more is not a reasonable assertion. We humans are conscious that we will die. Some of us are unwilling to face the termination of our existence and construct or accept the construction of others that death is not the end.

lucifer/quote.."""alleged consequences",..UOG.""

""These have been laid down..by our fellow primates,
not by a loving god,..surely?"">..

fully in agreement
[with the exception of the use fellow primates]
why exclude the rest of creation...that allows instant karma..and eventually death..everything living dies...

[but the essential life energy they represented while alive...live on]...see energy conversation law..E;.[not created..nor destroyed]..

""His purpose..giving us the power to reason
and to exercise free will...if He then coerces us
with the fear of eternal retribution if we do not "choose" Him?""

yes its insane
a parent knows the pride..when their children chose to do the right thing[just like gods joy]...when we try to chose..to the..better
not the childish worse...

[he still loves us regardless...like any truelly loving parent...he 'may'..dislike..the deed..
but not the child

""What would that retribution be..for those who have led a good but godless life?""

the same as those doing the same good
no difference[except...those who chose godless...
want to get to know the good of god better]

[to god we are the same]

[the theory..of religeon..
really dont really rate much mention
where we live our reality of it..each loving living moment of eternity]

[free from creed..we ALL..get
gods still silent[inner]..voice..direct

[no angels
nor demons to tease us..with hints

""as simple
as not passing through..to a next existence."'

never..*

[life energy..must follow..the same energy conservation/laws..

it can transmutate...only
into any other 'energies'..

[the next reality
is more concerned with the essence..
[than the form..that essence represents]..

[our soul form..remains in form..
like we now have..as best suits our eathy natures

except those of animal nature...look more animal like
[so much like..alice..in wonderland character's
coverd in mud/dirt][soul stain]

think of yellowed paper
our spirit..the words on the paper
our soul..the printed page[book]..whatever

we are all a work in process
from a living sperm..into a living egg
[energy plus energy]..that lived its life[energy]

with some having huge
burning passions..[salty]

others barely warm
[salt that has lost its id]

'"So what?
Could it be..the "hellfire"""

see fire..means passions..[energy]
there is a so-called hell...but its a cold fire
to those who are unaffected by that type of passion

[its only real..to those emiting their own energies]

""I don't buy any attempt..by my fellow primates to lord over me with threats.""

nope me neither
[i know i could fearlessly wander throught the vally of fear
cause i know its theuir fear..not mine][they think its real[that they fear]..i know its their delusion

""And what of the majority..their beliefs?""

they make their own delusions real...FOR THEMselves
not for others

""we all doomed..to eternal pain?""

none but those we did to others
all pain repaid in full[if you loved giving it
wait..till those who love giving it..more than you
[give you an eternity..of more of it...

[or till you dont love it..as much as you thought...
and even then it dont end..till you help other's..avoiding any more of it]

to get grace..give grace
you be helped...help...[first]

""You write "HE want's nuthin...
asks nuthin..expects nuthin"

There can be no consequences,..therefore,
to rejecting faith.""

if you believe..in 'it'..
'it's'..more than faith

its begging for more..[of the same]..to be given