TUS Oh its the majority now is it? U would support a referendum on the IR changes would you? Who are these thugs you refer to. Greg Combet does not appear to be a thug. Mr Combet consistently delivers factual analysis on the topic, without hype or guilding the lily.If only your contributions were as constuctive.Please advise why u feel it neccesary to ridicule Shongas spelling, i think it adds nothing to the debate.

No Hedgehog, I wouldn't support a referendum because it would be a waste of money (just like the government advertising mind you)and I believe referendum's are only necessary in this day and age when the Government is trying to change the constitution, not utilise it.

Industrial relations change has been well and truly on the agenda of the Government since 1996, it does not need to go to a referndum.

Remember, we just had an election 13 months ago where the Government was returned with an increased majority and control of the Senate.
And yes, on a two-party prefered basis, they were voted in by the majority. They will be judged in two years time again. Very accountable and they act within.

As for Greg Combet, he has his own agenda and is not always speaking factually. You will recall two weeks ago he tried to make a martyr of himself by saying he would go to jail rather than pay a fine for breaking the law. Pity it is a civil matter, not criminal - but anything to stir the masses. What I have said is based in reality and my experience, I have been threatened and I don't like intimidation.

And after being called thick, stupid, naive, spoilt, a fool etc, I just thought I better point out some of Shonga's imperfections to break any delusion about being perfect. Seeing as though Shonga won't debate my points, I stooped to that level and got personal. I apologise for that.

t.u.s.

t.u.s. What happens when people dont pay fines imposed by the courts, civil or criminal? They wind up going to jail. Far from being a martyr,i believe Mr Combet just telling it how it is. He will not pay a $33,000 fine, for asking an employer to agree a fair process for reviewing an alleged unfair termination. Now if the Govt. dinkum, what are they going to do? Must say loved your spin, (civil v criminal)it was identical to the dishonest response from Howard.Was that just coincidence or are you Ian Hanke?

t.u.s=t.b.t It appears it is very difficult not to have the last say.
I am sure you will respond to this post. We do agree finally on one point, I also wish a new party would emerge, however my party would not have the goal to exploit the hard working employees of this country. I have said in previous posts that your ilk, are quite happy to talk about lowering the minimum wage, but the absence of mention of any sacrifice on the part of employers for the cause is obvious. I would very much like for you, if you will, to do me a favour. Could you please read through my posts, and tell me which one, e.g No 7/8 9 or 10, where I say I am rich? I can not find that one, and would appreciate your jounalistic talents to point it out for me, you didn't chance a guess at an explanation as to how "someone who obviously knows nothing about the economy" got as far as I have, I'll give you a hint....it's a very simple formula.

Hedgehog - Failing to pay up in a civil case will result in assets from the person being taken equivalent to the amount. I suppose Greg Combet could violently resist his assets being taken, but then he would be breaking common law and could go to jail anyway.

And no I am not Ian Hanke, but doing a quick Google search of him, I must say I feel flattered. Labornet's immature attacks on Ian Hanke means he must be really hated by union heavies (which I assume you are because no-one at my work automatically knows who the man is, but apparently the strong unions hate his guts.

And Shonga, although you don't ever answer my questions, I will do you the common courtesy of answering yours - businesses are entitled to make a profit. They do have considerable costs which affect the bottom line such as superannuation, insurance because of workcover and compliance with a raft of red tape, both federal and state.

What's more, the profits they make don't get shoved under the bed or put in a big scrooge mcduck vault to swim in - it is spent at other businesses, which employ people, who then spend etc etc.

You seem to have this idea that the economy cannot grow but can only redistribute money from employers to employees and vice versa.
Maybe you should brush up on some economics.

t.u.s

TUS, that Ideology of Social Justice stems from just before the Great depression, un even handed paradox of Socialism , Real Fascism of part or full Government and Bureaucrat control, Frightened yet? History will tell us that even Hitler’s Ideas of Governance came from Franklin D Roosevelt. In it self created the environment. These lessons are lost on some, as you rightly put it. Economics is out of their range for their selfish reasons; this premise is based on a psych epistemology to take what belongs to an Individual and what is intellectual property rights .This is across the board: a product of envy instead of creating ability. Making professional Liars and thieves, (Looters) is why we may well be headed for a Greater Depression.
Irony: Read a book of Ayn Rand’s. “The Atlas Shrugged” alarm bells: bad alarm bells ringing. The similarities of near eighty years of Socialist psycho-epistemology of that time and what passes now is frighteningly similar. The above mentioned book should be a year 10 compulsory study. I commend every Australian to read and absorb its content.
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