Go Shonga.

Shonga - It is the politics of envy, not fairness.
What is fair about a person being paid extra because they are a certain age, not a certain ability.
What is fair about a person being paid more because they have been in the job longer, not because they contribute more to the business.
What is fair about an employer being forced to pay workers for 38 hours when they only work 35 hours.
What is fair about a small business paying out $1500 to someone caught with their hand in the till because it is cheaper than being dragged through the unfair dismissal process.
What is fair about a uni student, who can only work weekends, being denied a job because some bureaucrat says she cannot work unless she gets penalities.
What is fair about an employee ditching a job because something better comes along, when an employer cannot fire someone when a better worker comes along.
What is fair about a union or third party telling a worker and boss what they can and can't have in an agreement.
What is fair about an employer having to pay you an extra 17 per cent when you are on holidays, contributing nothing to business (as an aside, I donate my leave loading to charity because I think it is the stupidest, most selfish idea in the whole award system).
What is fair about you telling a young businessman, who was actually against the IR reforms, that you wanted to teach him a lesson by sending him bankrupt.
Sounds real fair to me.

t.u.s

Part Two

The majority of your posts emit an us versus them mentality which doesn't exist in a vast number of workplaces. You seem jealous of people who have gained success through hard work, because you haven't.
I appreciate we have a difference of opinion on this matter, but casting aspersions on people and assuming things about me which were clearly not true, is not the way to win an argument.

The IR changes aren't perfect, but they are better than the system we have now. I believe if we make these changes, my kids will have a better chance of getting a job in the future. That is why I support them. I am not coming from some toffee nosed Tory background.
I grew up in a poor suburb in a poor town. We hade five kids in the family and mum and dad worked hard to look after us. Money was tight, but we had each other, rather than the latest flash toys or appliances.
My oldest sister left school when unemployment was high and she found a job because she was willing to start at the very bottom. She now runs a cooking consultancy firm in Brisbane.
I had to work sh*t jobs to go through uni because mum and dad couldn't help out too much. But a sh*t job is better than no job and very few young people stay in their first job forever.

Anyway, I'm sure we will battle again at some stage. So long. (exit stage left)

t.u.s.

Usual suspect, these new laws are all about a third party telling an employer and employee what they can and cant have in an agreemant. Have you heard the term 'PROHIBITED MATTERS'? or is your understanding of the subject as shallow as your arguements. That previous comment is not meant as an insult ,its just an observation.

t.u.s=t.b.t, For a jurno, you appear to be fairly thick. I said two post ago, I will not argue with you, I am not jealous, or envyious, or anything of the kind. I could and would respond to your most recent ignorant post, however, unfortunately in this forum, posters are only allowed 350 words and the issues you raised are largely non-existent, except in your own mind, and would need a thousand words of reply, and then, you would still be "too blind to see" So I wish you good luck with your life {you will need it} and I hope for your sake, you are not, and never will be affected by this draconion IR legislation. I will leave you with this thought, not only do I own my own home, 2 vechiles, and live debt free, but I sold my AMP shares for $20.50 each, a few years back, next time you watch the News, check out the price today, I think this is a positive example concerning my {supposed} lack of knowledge on all things economical.

Shonga, you said two posts ago you wouldn’t argue but here we still are – hard not to have the last word isn’t it.

Still though, your arguments have not actually been a rebuttal, just telling me I am a fool or naïve and the things I describe do not exist. It seems you can’t even argue the point with a thick “jurno” who doesn’t own two “vechiles”

And its good to see you got rich off corporate Australia – the same corporate Australia you despise for paying CEOs million of dollars. I suppose its OK, when you make a quid hey.

Hedgehog – I never said the new changes were perfect, but they are better than we have now. I would prefer the third party being a government elected by a majority, than a bunch of union thugs representing less than 15 per cent of the population who have no public accountability.

t.u.s