All- please don't encourage t.u.s=t.b.t He say's I haven't answered his questions. Yet he hasn't answered mine e.g. Why is it that in 1970 C.E.O.'s were paid 4 times the ordinary worker's wage, yet today they are paid more than 40 times the ordinary worker's wage. I asked this question many posts ago, but still have not had an answer from our great economist, and many other questions I have asked of him still go unanswered...I know all about business, and really have nothing against "good employer's" at all but t.u.s.=t.b.t strikes me as a "bad egg" which is why I continue to argue with him. If he could only answer this one question, with his vast knowledge of all things related to the economy, I would have thought it would have been an easy question for him. He asumes everyone is ignorant on economics, except of course himself. This is the arogance I object to. Perhaps you will have more luck getting an answer out of him than I have had, good luck mate, you will need it, the danger is he really believes his own jurnolistic bulldust....

Shonga,

TUS has long appreciated wages & conditions earned by others - being the countless workers (unionists) that took part in strikes and disputes to gain the conditions TUS enjoys. TUS does not feel any obligation to repay in any way those benefits, in fact TUS seeks to undermine those benefits being enjoyed by others (by undercutting award conditions).

TUS therefore is a SCAB! Do not waste any more of your time and energy attempting to convert the ignorant. Those who enjoy the benefits yet spit upon those that earned them, do not deserve to enjoy them any longer. I am working on my proposal, and I appear to have gained some support from persons within the structure of the ACTU. If this works, the majority of employers will avoid harming union members for it would be economic suicide to do so, however non-union worker's will be fair game (particularly TUS etc.).

DO NOT GET MAD, GET EVEN

With the Executive line, I would agree 100 present, it is the new management of self reward for failure, and you see this in politics and within the bureaucracy of governments and within large Corporations.
A big rort if you like: gone unchallenged, some sort of new line of Elites that have no need in the long term to perform, but raid the Bank accounts, and that is obvious of late. This perhaps is directly a result of the Post-modern era of underachievers.
Heavens above, when you hear some of the outrageous packages offered, I can understand why some resent it, I certainly do, but they are the high profile Elites of underachievers , Executive Looters to be exact,, but also there a great many achievers and professionals with real ability in some that go unrewarded, and it is from that we can only draw advancement of a Real business mind, the Looting still goes on, but as the public slowly wake up, then we need to take our business somewhere else. The Looting of the Public money is what you see with Governments and Toll ways Con- Rortiums, always finding new way to steal your hard earn money, and then steal more, same type of unoriginal mind set, Legalized Mafia perhaps? The same extremities have infiltrated the Private sector.
This is the Doctrine of Socialism, a parent of the original Fascism,unlike Communism , this Modified Marxist Bastard child is Part Government control and part private, Government obviously controls. Dangerous waters there.

TUS CRAP. People go to jail for bad debts. However losing your assets for asking for a fair go is alright is it. About says it all about you, doesnt it.

Shonga - I answered your question when it was first asked - CEOs are paid up to $59 million because the board thinks they are worth this much to the company. They think that the person will be worth this much and then some, so they hire them. If you don't like this situation, boycott companies who pay high salaries and withdraw any suparannuation firms which invest your hard earned cash in million dollar CEOs.
Of course, unless everybody decides to take this line, some companies will still pay more and the most talented will look for the best offer
Besides, that is not an industrial relations issue anyway.

Aaron, say what you want about what you see as disloyalty. I appreciate what the unions have done, I just want them to move forward and be modern. I don't think there is a need for a confrontational system any more.
My opinion is that unions should be using some of their advertising money to run workshops to help people negotiate. Or better yet they should run employment services to help people who might find themselves unemployed.

Tim Martyn in the original article mentioned Henry Ford and having a person attached to every pair of hands he employed. Unfortunately, increasing the costs of employing people, especially manufacturing jobs, has meant the Henry Ford's of the world have chosen to employ robotic hands instead, or cheaper hands overseas. What is better, 100 jobs at $15 an hour or no jobs at all.

t.u.s.

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